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The people that he mentions at the beginning of the article who have left have all peaked in their careers. The real loss would not be of people who have peaked

The people that he mentions at the beginning of the article who have left have all peaked in their careers. The real loss would not be of people who have peaked leaving but of people who haven’t peaked yet leaving.

brandmeyer 6y ago
> people who haven’t peaked yet leaving. No, it is people who haven't peaked yet not even coming in the first place.
- TedShiller 6y ago
  True. Hence the wrong focus in the article. It’s like if Bill Gates leaves Seattle. Nothing happens because Gates is done in his career.
  - ulfw 6y ago
    Bill Gates is not done at all. In fact he is doing more and better things for mankind with his career now than he did when he ran Microsoft.
    - TedShiller 6y ago
      Sure, but Bill Gates leaving Seattle would not impact the Seattle tech industry at all.
NeverFade 6y ago
Elon Musk has "peaked in his career"? I understand that we need to rudely dismiss everyone who left NorCal, but maybe let's try to maintain some semblance of connection to reality?
- dang 6y ago
  Please let's not go into the Musk Wars. They're all the same and always lame.
  - NeverFade 6y ago
    Hi! Maybe you'd like to address the blatant abuse of the flagging system on this website? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402532
    - dang 6y ago
      You'd need to come up with better examples than nationalistic flamewar comments like that one and its parent, both of which were correctly flagged by users. The only problem I see with flags in that hellish thread is that there weren't enough of them. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Between that case and this one, it seems like it would be good to calibrate your sense of what we're trying for here.
      - NeverFade 6y ago
        I presented a coherent argument against an Antisemitic comment which you admit has no place here. At the time I posted my response, the Antisemitic comment was not flagged, in fact it was highly upvoted and visible. My own comment got abusively flagged by the same brigade which upvoted the Antisemitic comment I was pointing out. And you are justifying this. Now I made this comment, which is entirely innocent. Is there a rule against refuting the claim that Musk's career is in some sort of terminal decline? Are we only allowed to state that it is, like OP has done? My innocent comment, the first one I made since that last discussion, gets an uncalled-for response by a mod. Seems I'm either being flag-abused again by the same brigade, or it's just your dislike for opposition to Antiemitic comments. Opposition which you condemn as "nationalistic".
        dang 6y ago
        There's a rule against making unsubstantive, inflammatory comments, especially on divisive topics. The problem with what you're saying here is that everyone overestimates the "innocence" of their own comments by (say) 100x and overestimates the guilt/provocation of others' comments by a similar factor. That leads to a 10000x distortion, which leads to a worldview in which everyone else is getting away with outrageous shit while the rule-enforcers are picking on you completely unfairly. This is a standard bias—I assure you that the other side feels exactly the same way. If we stay in that perspective, the entire forum will turn into flamewar and burn to a crisp. That's not an outcome which serves anybody. The only way out of this is to recognize the bias and work to overcome it in oneself. I think if you re-read your posts in that spirit, it's pretty easy to see how they weren't as coherent and innocent as you say—from my perspective they were very similar to the other unsubstantive/inflammatory/flamewar comments and all that is happening here is routine moderation. Let's take your above post as an example. No doubt you have very coherent, cogent thoughts about this topic but what did your post actually say? First it repeated what the other person said, then it went straight to snark ("I understand that we need to rudely dismiss everyone who left NorCal") and then to personal attack ("maybe let's try to maintain some semblance of connection to reality?"). If you've read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, it should be easy to see that this is not the sort of comment that we want on HN. I'm sure that if a third party had posted that, this would be obvious to you, especially if it were about some unrelated topic that you don't feel so strongly about. It's common for people to assume that their comment expresses their thoughts—their solid, substantive ideas on an issue—when in reality their comment has done nothing the sort. This is an easy mistake to make because to each of us, our own thoughts are transparently present, and we can just assume them. However, nobody else (with the possible exception of any gifted mind-readers among us) has any clue what those thoughts are unless you express them explicitly, and it doesn't matter how insightful or clever or right you are if your comment consists of snark and attack. To be a good HN contributor, you should therefore (1) express your solid thoughts explicitly, and (2) drop any snark and attack. As for Antisemitism, you've made a pretty dangerous and damaging claim here, which is neither true nor fair, nor does it serve the cause you're supporting. I'm not going to take it personally, but in my view you should try to be more careful about throwing such grave charges. When you do it casually or unjustly (and you did both here), you cheapen them—and you can also really hurt people.
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jmeister 6y ago
People who have “peaked” have a lot of offer in terms of mentorship, connections etc. In fact, a concentration of people who’ve been there done that is probably that hardest thing to find in one place outside the respective central cities.
ulfw 6y ago
LOL yea. That's exactly the SV problem. Lure a bunch of inexperienced young people who give away their best years to a corporation in hopes of becoming rich. Very few do. The vast majority spend their money on NYC-level high taxes and rent.
- TedShiller 6y ago
  You gotta play to win. Yes, not everyone can win the lottery, that's true.

brandmeyer 6y ago

> people who haven’t peaked yet leaving. No, it is people who haven't peaked yet not even coming in the first place.

TedShiller 6y ago
True. Hence the wrong focus in the article. It’s like if Bill Gates leaves Seattle. Nothing happens because Gates is done in his career.
- ulfw 6y ago
  Bill Gates is not done at all. In fact he is doing more and better things for mankind with his career now than he did when he ran Microsoft.
  - TedShiller 6y ago
    Sure, but Bill Gates leaving Seattle would not impact the Seattle tech industry at all.

NeverFade 6y ago

Elon Musk has "peaked in his career"? I understand that we need to rudely dismiss everyone who left NorCal, but maybe let's try to maintain some semblance of connection to reality?

dang 6y ago
Please let's not go into the Musk Wars. They're all the same and always lame.
- NeverFade 6y ago
  Hi! Maybe you'd like to address the blatant abuse of the flagging system on this website? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402532 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26402532
  - dang 6y ago
    You'd need to come up with better examples than nationalistic flamewar comments like that one and its parent, both of which were correctly flagged by users. The only problem I see with flags in that hellish thread is that there weren't enough of them. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Between that case and this one, it seems like it would be good to calibrate your sense of what we're trying for here.
    - NeverFade 6y ago
      I presented a coherent argument against an Antisemitic comment which you admit has no place here. At the time I posted my response, the Antisemitic comment was not flagged, in fact it was highly upvoted and visible. My own comment got abusively flagged by the same brigade which upvoted the Antisemitic comment I was pointing out. And you are justifying this. Now I made this comment, which is entirely innocent. Is there a rule against refuting the claim that Musk's career is in some sort of terminal decline? Are we only allowed to state that it is, like OP has done? My innocent comment, the first one I made since that last discussion, gets an uncalled-for response by a mod. Seems I'm either being flag-abused again by the same brigade, or it's just your dislike for opposition to Antiemitic comments. Opposition which you condemn as "nationalistic".
      - dang 6y ago
        There's a rule against making unsubstantive, inflammatory comments, especially on divisive topics. The problem with what you're saying here is that everyone overestimates the "innocence" of their own comments by (say) 100x and overestimates the guilt/provocation of others' comments by a similar factor. That leads to a 10000x distortion, which leads to a worldview in which everyone else is getting away with outrageous shit while the rule-enforcers are picking on you completely unfairly. This is a standard bias—I assure you that the other side feels exactly the same way. If we stay in that perspective, the entire forum will turn into flamewar and burn to a crisp. That's not an outcome which serves anybody. The only way out of this is to recognize the bias and work to overcome it in oneself. I think if you re-read your posts in that spirit, it's pretty easy to see how they weren't as coherent and innocent as you say—from my perspective they were very similar to the other unsubstantive/inflammatory/flamewar comments and all that is happening here is routine moderation. Let's take your above post as an example. No doubt you have very coherent, cogent thoughts about this topic but what did your post actually say? First it repeated what the other person said, then it went straight to snark ("I understand that we need to rudely dismiss everyone who left NorCal") and then to personal attack ("maybe let's try to maintain some semblance of connection to reality?"). If you've read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, it should be easy to see that this is not the sort of comment that we want on HN. I'm sure that if a third party had posted that, this would be obvious to you, especially if it were about some unrelated topic that you don't feel so strongly about. It's common for people to assume that their comment expresses their thoughts—their solid, substantive ideas on an issue—when in reality their comment has done nothing the sort. This is an easy mistake to make because to each of us, our own thoughts are transparently present, and we can just assume them. However, nobody else (with the possible exception of any gifted mind-readers among us) has any clue what those thoughts are unless you express them explicitly, and it doesn't matter how insightful or clever or right you are if your comment consists of snark and attack. To be a good HN contributor, you should therefore (1) express your solid thoughts explicitly, and (2) drop any snark and attack. As for Antisemitism, you've made a pretty dangerous and damaging claim here, which is neither true nor fair, nor does it serve the cause you're supporting. I'm not going to take it personally, but in my view you should try to be more careful about throwing such grave charges. When you do it casually or unjustly (and you did both here), you cheapen them—and you can also really hurt people.

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jmeister 6y ago

People who have “peaked” have a lot of offer in terms of mentorship, connections etc. In fact, a concentration of people who’ve been there done that is probably that hardest thing to find in one place outside the respective central cities.

ulfw 6y ago

LOL yea. That's exactly the SV problem. Lure a bunch of inexperienced young people who give away their best years to a corporation in hopes of becoming rich. Very few do. The vast majority spend their money on NYC-level high taxes and rent.

TedShiller 6y ago
You gotta play to win. Yes, not everyone can win the lottery, that's true.