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That sounds really backwards, from an environmental point of view. I imagine that nowadays, anybody who can afford any smartphone already has access to some st

by k_sze 6y ago

That sounds really backwards, from an environmental point of view. I imagine that nowadays, anybody who can afford any smartphone already has access to some standard 5V USB power supply. In fact, for returning buyers of iPhone, I would even recommend making the Lightning cable optional.

Larrikin 6y ago
Not including a charger only becomes acceptable if outlets are mandated to have USB plugs by law. Otherwise it's an excuse for the company to save money while making me pay for a charger in the future if one of my old ones I got in the past breaks or is lost.
- TylerE 6y ago
  Having as part of the law won't help. I work for a website that lists housing rentals. Lead paint is still a very big deal, with a lot of complexity, and that's been banned nationally since 1978.
  - minitech 6y ago
    Lead paint being banned by law helped immensely, so not sure about that example. Outlets are also a lot easier to replace than lead paint. … not that I think it’s a good idea to make USB outlets a legal requirement.
    - TylerE 6y ago
      My point is that something being legally mandated doesn’t actually mean it’ll be anything like universal basically ever.
- toomanybeersies 6y ago
  Should this law require USB-A or USB-C sockets? And does the outlet on the ceiling of my garage for the garage door opener need a USB socket?
- toast0 6y ago
  I think it's fine to not include a charger as long as it's clear it's not included, and you sell chargers where you sell the phones. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a phone that came without a charger or cable if it was the same connector as my current one. Brazil has pretty good mobile phone penetration, so most phones are replacing an existing one, and most existing phones have a charger. Apple is reducing waste and hiding a $10-$15 margin increase.
strictnein 6y ago
Part of the functionality with these new phones is improved charging capabilities. You can only get this if you get a new charger plus a USB-C to Lightning cable. The population of people who have both of those is pretty negligible.

by k_sze 6y ago

Larrikin 6y ago

Not including a charger only becomes acceptable if outlets are mandated to have USB plugs by law. Otherwise it's an excuse for the company to save money while making me pay for a charger in the future if one of my old ones I got in the past breaks or is lost.

TylerE 6y ago
Having as part of the law won't help. I work for a website that lists housing rentals. Lead paint is still a very big deal, with a lot of complexity, and that's been banned nationally since 1978.
- minitech 6y ago
  Lead paint being banned by law helped immensely, so not sure about that example. Outlets are also a lot easier to replace than lead paint. … not that I think it’s a good idea to make USB outlets a legal requirement.
  - TylerE 6y ago
    My point is that something being legally mandated doesn’t actually mean it’ll be anything like universal basically ever.
toomanybeersies 6y ago
Should this law require USB-A or USB-C sockets? And does the outlet on the ceiling of my garage for the garage door opener need a USB socket?
toast0 6y ago
I think it's fine to not include a charger as long as it's clear it's not included, and you sell chargers where you sell the phones. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a phone that came without a charger or cable if it was the same connector as my current one. Brazil has pretty good mobile phone penetration, so most phones are replacing an existing one, and most existing phones have a charger. Apple is reducing waste and hiding a $10-$15 margin increase.

strictnein 6y ago

Part of the functionality with these new phones is improved charging capabilities. You can only get this if you get a new charger plus a USB-C to Lightning cable. The population of people who have both of those is pretty negligible.