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In my last few moments, my head struck by the Cybertruck's sharp edge and its contents spilling open onto the crosswalk, I will contemplate this great miracle w

In my last few moments, my head struck by the Cybertruck's sharp edge and its contents spilling open onto the crosswalk, I will contemplate this great miracle which saved rich people a few thousand dollars.

xvector 6y ago
Not to mention, the stainless steel exterior will be easy to clean, since your pesky shattered skull bone won’t find any paint to scratch! You can rest easy knowing that your viscera won’t be an inconvenience.
toomuchtodo 6y ago
Check out the average price of a new truck, and then their annual US sales volume (Ford’s F150 specifically). Average America is who soaks up pickup trucks, not “the rich.” Tesla needs to compete with legacy automaker trucks if they’re to drive down the petroleum used by those fossil fuel vehicles (hence the need to keep per unit costs down). The fault for failure to prioritize pedestrian and bicyclist safety falls on federal policy makers, who could enforce these safety requirements by statute but don’t. Tangentially, it should also be wildly illegal to lift your pickup for on road use. “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”
- rsynnott 6y ago
  The F150 appears to start at 28k. Average price of a new truck in the US is 50k, but that's probably pushed up a lot by commercial purchasing. And realistically, if you think anything from Tesla is going to start at the price they claim it will start at in early marketing... well, that's optimistic. This will be a car that at least _should_ be bought only by very well off people. I'm sure some people will take on silly debt and spend most of their annual take-home salary on a car, but that won't be the norm. Well, hopefully.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    I'm just trying to help folks understand how it works outside the HN bubble. People buy trucks because it's what they feel they need (even if it isn't; that truck likely is going to be a garage queen and never leave pavement), for some it satisfies a part of their self image and ego, and a lot of folks buying them aren't fiscally responsible and buy them anyway (repo lots are a savvy way to find lightly used diesel pickups in good condition someone overspent on before a sophisticated broker/dealer acquires them and marks them up to the public). https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/10/pickup-truck-owner-demographics/ https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/10/pickup-truck-owner-de... > The Ford F-150 is the single most popular truck in America today and the most-popular vehicle in 44 states. It outsold the Ram pickup in 2019 by 78%. > The average age of the new F-150 buyer is 55. It may not be too surprising that about 16% of new Ford F-150 owners are female/84% male. About three-quarters of all new Ford F-150s are purchased by white males, although Hispanic buyers account for 22% of total incremental growth of new F-150 sales from 2010 to 2017. > Despite any TV ads you see with F-150s in a rural or country setting, the vast majority of these new trucks are in large and medium-sized cities. > The average household income of a new Ford F-150 owner is about $82,000 per year. By comparison the median household income in the United States is $61,937. > If that average household income sounds high, remember this! The F-150 has a base MSRP under $30,000. But, we priced a 2020 Ford F-150 Platinum Edition with all the bells & whistles and accessories for over $74,000! All emphasis mine. This is the market environment Tesla is operating in and attempting to displace combustion pickup sales in.
    - maxerickson 6y ago
      Sales volume is ~1 million a year. There's something like 50 million people that are very well off in the US. Narrative this, narrative that.
      - toomuchtodo 6y ago
        People with purchasing power want trucks. Sell them Cybertrucks.
      - rsynnott 6y ago
        So, contradicting my previous claims, it looks like, while the starting price is about 28k, the ASP is 47k(!), so if the average buyer earns 80k household income, yeah, they're _really_ overspending.
  - anonfornoreason 6y ago
    The automakers don’t manufacture many low end trucks for what it’s worth. Yes you can buy a fleet ready vehicle if you have a fleet, but no dealer is stocking anything in the last year except the luxury trim. Parts shortages and unprecedented demand (people buying camping trailer sand trucks due to Covid) have broken the market. Source: myself having gone through process of buying a truck a few months ago. Looked at mid size trucks (I own acreage, making hobby farm), but only could find the 60k optioned vehicles. Ended up full-size luxury trim due to tax break possibilities plus only available stock. Pretty wild right now. Used market also hosed, almost price of new.

xvector 6y ago

Not to mention, the stainless steel exterior will be easy to clean, since your pesky shattered skull bone won’t find any paint to scratch! You can rest easy knowing that your viscera won’t be an inconvenience.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

Check out the average price of a new truck, and then their annual US sales volume (Ford’s F150 specifically). Average America is who soaks up pickup trucks, not “the rich.” Tesla needs to compete with legacy automaker trucks if they’re to drive down the petroleum used by those fossil fuel vehicles (hence the need to keep per unit costs down). The fault for failure to prioritize pedestrian and bicyclist safety falls on federal policy makers, who could enforce these safety requirements by statute but don’t. Tangentially, it should also be wildly illegal to lift your pickup for on road use. “Don’t hate the player, hate the game.”

rsynnott 6y ago
The F150 appears to start at 28k. Average price of a new truck in the US is 50k, but that's probably pushed up a lot by commercial purchasing. And realistically, if you think anything from Tesla is going to start at the price they claim it will start at in early marketing... well, that's optimistic. This will be a car that at least _should_ be bought only by very well off people. I'm sure some people will take on silly debt and spend most of their annual take-home salary on a car, but that won't be the norm. Well, hopefully.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  I'm just trying to help folks understand how it works outside the HN bubble. People buy trucks because it's what they feel they need (even if it isn't; that truck likely is going to be a garage queen and never leave pavement), for some it satisfies a part of their self image and ego, and a lot of folks buying them aren't fiscally responsible and buy them anyway (repo lots are a savvy way to find lightly used diesel pickups in good condition someone overspent on before a sophisticated broker/dealer acquires them and marks them up to the public). https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/10/pickup-truck-owner-demographics/ https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2018/10/pickup-truck-owner-de... > The Ford F-150 is the single most popular truck in America today and the most-popular vehicle in 44 states. It outsold the Ram pickup in 2019 by 78%. > The average age of the new F-150 buyer is 55. It may not be too surprising that about 16% of new Ford F-150 owners are female/84% male. About three-quarters of all new Ford F-150s are purchased by white males, although Hispanic buyers account for 22% of total incremental growth of new F-150 sales from 2010 to 2017. > Despite any TV ads you see with F-150s in a rural or country setting, the vast majority of these new trucks are in large and medium-sized cities. > The average household income of a new Ford F-150 owner is about $82,000 per year. By comparison the median household income in the United States is $61,937. > If that average household income sounds high, remember this! The F-150 has a base MSRP under $30,000. But, we priced a 2020 Ford F-150 Platinum Edition with all the bells & whistles and accessories for over $74,000! All emphasis mine. This is the market environment Tesla is operating in and attempting to displace combustion pickup sales in.
  - maxerickson 6y ago
    Sales volume is ~1 million a year. There's something like 50 million people that are very well off in the US. Narrative this, narrative that.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      People with purchasing power want trucks. Sell them Cybertrucks.
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      So, contradicting my previous claims, it looks like, while the starting price is about 28k, the ASP is 47k(!), so if the average buyer earns 80k household income, yeah, they're _really_ overspending.
- anonfornoreason 6y ago
  The automakers don’t manufacture many low end trucks for what it’s worth. Yes you can buy a fleet ready vehicle if you have a fleet, but no dealer is stocking anything in the last year except the luxury trim. Parts shortages and unprecedented demand (people buying camping trailer sand trucks due to Covid) have broken the market. Source: myself having gone through process of buying a truck a few months ago. Looked at mid size trucks (I own acreage, making hobby farm), but only could find the 60k optioned vehicles. Ended up full-size luxury trim due to tax break possibilities plus only available stock. Pretty wild right now. Used market also hosed, almost price of new.