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Why was the Holy Roman Empire never restablished in the post-Napoleonic era? If I remember the last HRE was still around for many years after the outster of Nap

Why was the Holy Roman Empire never restablished in the post-Napoleonic era? If I remember the last HRE was still around for many years after the outster of Napoleon.

k__ 6y ago
Because of the rivaly between Austria and Prussia.
monoideism 6y ago
> Why was the Holy Roman Empire never restablished in the post-Napoleonic era Well, that was one of the ideas behind the "Third Reich" (Roman Empire, HRE, then German Reich). Of course, it was under Hitler, not any hereditary emperor. > If I remember the last HRE was still around for many years after the outster of Napoleon. No, the last recognized HRE (Francis II) was defeated by Napolean. But technically, there still is an heir, although his family has renounced any claim to that or any other title (among other reasons, because Hungary and Austria don't permit the use of such titles): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Habsburg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Habsburg
- mr_toad 6y ago
  > hereditary emperor. Hereditary (and especially primogeniture) wasn’t as big a deal under any of the Roman Empires as it was for European monarchies. Even when an emperor had heirs, they were often adopted.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    The Holy Roman Empire was an European monarchy from the middle ages to ~1800. That's what I was referring to - perhaps that wasn't as clear as it should have been. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
- billfruit 6y ago
  Francis II continued to be Emperor of Austria till 1830, Napoleon was outsted in 1815 or there abouts.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    Yes, but he ceased to be HRE in 1806 upon defeat by Napoleon. I see there's some ambiguity here in the way the question was posed and how I answered, but that's what I meant to refer to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Holy_Roman_...
cat199 6y ago
Neither German nor historian, but - The Austro-Hungarian empire was considered to be a successor state and claimed the title for a time, and basically the German Empire and Austro-Hungarian empire were somewhat viewed as successors along protestant and catholic lines - unifying the division of the two under a 'new' ideology was a big part of third reich ideology (irrespective of how bad naziism was, this is a huge part of the history of the broader topic of 'german unification') . This article mentions neither historical austria-hungary, the reformation, the anschluss, or modern day austria, so it seems more than a bit lacking from my perspective. But again, not a German nor a Historian so I could be missing something..

Why was the Holy Roman Empire never restablished in the post-Napoleonic era? If I remember the last HRE was still around for many years after the outster of Napoleon.

k__ 6y ago

Because of the rivaly between Austria and Prussia.

monoideism 6y ago

> Why was the Holy Roman Empire never restablished in the post-Napoleonic era Well, that was one of the ideas behind the "Third Reich" (Roman Empire, HRE, then German Reich). Of course, it was under Hitler, not any hereditary emperor. > If I remember the last HRE was still around for many years after the outster of Napoleon. No, the last recognized HRE (Francis II) was defeated by Napolean. But technically, there still is an heir, although his family has renounced any claim to that or any other title (among other reasons, because Hungary and Austria don't permit the use of such titles): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Habsburg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Habsburg

mr_toad 6y ago
> hereditary emperor. Hereditary (and especially primogeniture) wasn’t as big a deal under any of the Roman Empires as it was for European monarchies. Even when an emperor had heirs, they were often adopted.
- monoideism 6y ago
  The Holy Roman Empire was an European monarchy from the middle ages to ~1800. That's what I was referring to - perhaps that wasn't as clear as it should have been. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
billfruit 6y ago
Francis II continued to be Emperor of Austria till 1830, Napoleon was outsted in 1815 or there abouts.
- monoideism 6y ago
  Yes, but he ceased to be HRE in 1806 upon defeat by Napoleon. I see there's some ambiguity here in the way the question was posed and how I answered, but that's what I meant to refer to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Holy_Roman_...

cat199 6y ago

Neither German nor historian, but - The Austro-Hungarian empire was considered to be a successor state and claimed the title for a time, and basically the German Empire and Austro-Hungarian empire were somewhat viewed as successors along protestant and catholic lines - unifying the division of the two under a 'new' ideology was a big part of third reich ideology (irrespective of how bad naziism was, this is a huge part of the history of the broader topic of 'german unification') . This article mentions neither historical austria-hungary, the reformation, the anschluss, or modern day austria, so it seems more than a bit lacking from my perspective. But again, not a German nor a Historian so I could be missing something..