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I'm not pumping anything. I haven't shilled for anything. I've never told you to buy anything. But if you believe ETH is the original chain, you're simply wr

by jki275 6y ago

I'm not pumping anything. I haven't shilled for anything. I've never told you to buy anything. But if you believe ETH is the original chain, you're simply wrong -- and technically you are actually the one shilling ETH. Yes, I have ADA and XTZ, both of which are far superior in technology to ETH. I have a bunch of others as well (not ETC or ETH). I'm not telling anyone to buy anything, certainly not on my word. In fact I generally tell people NOT to get involved if they're asking questions because they're just going to lose money. Everybody jumping into ADA at 1.25 going "it must go up since it went on coinbase yesterday!!" might just get destroyed. Or they might not, who knows. I'm not in it for the money, I'm in it for the technology. Always have been.

crazydoggers 6y ago
> Yes, I have ADA and XTZ, both of which are far superior in technology to ETH. I have a bunch of others as well (not ETC or ETH). I'm not telling anyone to buy anything, certainly not on my word. Yes, it’s easier to deny. That’s how marketing works. You don’t say buy this instead of this. You just sow doubt. And if you’re using facts, then at least you can say your adding to the discussion. But you lack facts, and instead use weasel worlds like “original”, “forced”, “superior” which are not backed up by fact. By calling it “original” you are trying to convey some sense of legitimacy where there is none. You’re playing with words, what I call FUD. FUD: “ Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a propaganda tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics, polling and cults. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear.” Explain in technical details how I’m wrong. I’ll wait. I just explained it in detail, that there is no “original chain”. You haven’t supplied any facts. How by any definition of “original” can ETC be, if it, itself has hard forked. If those hard forks have also included updates to increase interoperability with ETH. Again, if I kept mining on software prior to the ETC Agharta, does that mean I am on the “original”? By your definition, in the course of upgrading the blockchain technology, anyone who refuses to upgrade at any fork is the “original”. That definition then becomes pointless. If you’re in it for the technology, then, just be honest with your wording, and neutral with your point of view. I am. I talk about facts. ETH and ETC are hard forks. Both have blockchains that are based off the first ETH chain that launched, both have had various levels of fork upgrades. ETC was created when some miners decided they didn’t want to return funds from the hacked DAO contract by implementing an upgrade. They then decided to name themselves Ethereum Classic to differentiate. (I could play name games and say that since it’s ETC tokens and not ETH tokens it’s not original, whereas my ETH tokens maintained their value, and where still the same exact tokens on the trading platforms when the fork occurred, but that’s playing word games) Going on here and saying things are “original” doesn’t educate anyone. You can be annoyed or against the upgrade because you honestly don’t believe the DOA tokens should have been transferred back. That’s fine. But don’t add to the misinformation by posting confusing FUD. That’s not about the technology. Being about the technology is explaining how blockchain means “original” or single truth has no meaning. It’s a distributed consensus.
- jki275 6y ago
  Which chains got left behind when agharta was created? You're deliberately conflating a tech insertion where the coin was "forked" with no remaining chain with a hard fork to rollback the chain and payoff a bunch of wealthy whales who made a technological fuckup. You're doing that in order to shill your coin and pretend it isn't what it is, which is a scam coin that is essentially centrally controlled by a small group of whales who are trying to increase their control by pushing it to POS where they will be able to cut the miners completely out of the process and do anything they want to it. Again, I'm not shilling anything. You do your own research. ETH destroyed any concept of "distributed consensus" when they rolled back the DAO. Playing name games doesn't fix the problem, it's just playing games.
  - crazydoggers 6y ago
    > Which chains got left behind when agharta was created? Anyone running the original mining clients got left behind. Thats how it works. > bunch of wealthy whales who made a technological fuckup. You're doing that in order to shill your coin and pretend it isn't what it is, which is a scam coin that is essentially centrally controlled by a small group of whales who are trying to increase their control by pushing I'll let your words speak for themselves. "scam coin" "whales" "centrally controlled" No facts to support any of this. None, because you have none. I realize previous comments got flagged because I made fun of you... perhaps I should have been more civil. But its tiring countering falsehoods, and FUD, lack of facts with lies, prejudice etc. It's just tiring. HN is where Slashdot was when it tumbled. It's sad but true. Congrats on being part of ruining what used to be a place for the smartest and best in our industry coming together, sharing facts, and taking technology to the next level. RIP.
    - jki275 6y ago
      I've stated no falsehoods. The data is all there. You can look it up or not as you see fit. You don't want to believe it because you've got a religious belief that those facts don't matter. You're living in a post fact belief system. And I wasn't the one ruining HN with personal attacks and name calling. Congrats to you.

by jki275 6y ago

crazydoggers 6y ago

> Yes, I have ADA and XTZ, both of which are far superior in technology to ETH. I have a bunch of others as well (not ETC or ETH). I'm not telling anyone to buy anything, certainly not on my word. Yes, it’s easier to deny. That’s how marketing works. You don’t say buy this instead of this. You just sow doubt. And if you’re using facts, then at least you can say your adding to the discussion. But you lack facts, and instead use weasel worlds like “original”, “forced”, “superior” which are not backed up by fact. By calling it “original” you are trying to convey some sense of legitimacy where there is none. You’re playing with words, what I call FUD. FUD: “ Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a propaganda tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics, polling and cults. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear.” Explain in technical details how I’m wrong. I’ll wait. I just explained it in detail, that there is no “original chain”. You haven’t supplied any facts. How by any definition of “original” can ETC be, if it, itself has hard forked. If those hard forks have also included updates to increase interoperability with ETH. Again, if I kept mining on software prior to the ETC Agharta, does that mean I am on the “original”? By your definition, in the course of upgrading the blockchain technology, anyone who refuses to upgrade at any fork is the “original”. That definition then becomes pointless. If you’re in it for the technology, then, just be honest with your wording, and neutral with your point of view. I am. I talk about facts. ETH and ETC are hard forks. Both have blockchains that are based off the first ETH chain that launched, both have had various levels of fork upgrades. ETC was created when some miners decided they didn’t want to return funds from the hacked DAO contract by implementing an upgrade. They then decided to name themselves Ethereum Classic to differentiate. (I could play name games and say that since it’s ETC tokens and not ETH tokens it’s not original, whereas my ETH tokens maintained their value, and where still the same exact tokens on the trading platforms when the fork occurred, but that’s playing word games) Going on here and saying things are “original” doesn’t educate anyone. You can be annoyed or against the upgrade because you honestly don’t believe the DOA tokens should have been transferred back. That’s fine. But don’t add to the misinformation by posting confusing FUD. That’s not about the technology. Being about the technology is explaining how blockchain means “original” or single truth has no meaning. It’s a distributed consensus.

jki275 6y ago
Which chains got left behind when agharta was created? You're deliberately conflating a tech insertion where the coin was "forked" with no remaining chain with a hard fork to rollback the chain and payoff a bunch of wealthy whales who made a technological fuckup. You're doing that in order to shill your coin and pretend it isn't what it is, which is a scam coin that is essentially centrally controlled by a small group of whales who are trying to increase their control by pushing it to POS where they will be able to cut the miners completely out of the process and do anything they want to it. Again, I'm not shilling anything. You do your own research. ETH destroyed any concept of "distributed consensus" when they rolled back the DAO. Playing name games doesn't fix the problem, it's just playing games.
- crazydoggers 6y ago
  > Which chains got left behind when agharta was created? Anyone running the original mining clients got left behind. Thats how it works. > bunch of wealthy whales who made a technological fuckup. You're doing that in order to shill your coin and pretend it isn't what it is, which is a scam coin that is essentially centrally controlled by a small group of whales who are trying to increase their control by pushing I'll let your words speak for themselves. "scam coin" "whales" "centrally controlled" No facts to support any of this. None, because you have none. I realize previous comments got flagged because I made fun of you... perhaps I should have been more civil. But its tiring countering falsehoods, and FUD, lack of facts with lies, prejudice etc. It's just tiring. HN is where Slashdot was when it tumbled. It's sad but true. Congrats on being part of ruining what used to be a place for the smartest and best in our industry coming together, sharing facts, and taking technology to the next level. RIP.
  - jki275 6y ago
    I've stated no falsehoods. The data is all there. You can look it up or not as you see fit. You don't want to believe it because you've got a religious belief that those facts don't matter. You're living in a post fact belief system. And I wasn't the one ruining HN with personal attacks and name calling. Congrats to you.