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You've claimed ETC was the fork. It wasn't. ETH was the fork, ETC is the original chain.

by jki275 6y ago

crazydoggers 6y ago
Again, that makes no sense. And I never claimed one was a fork and the other not. They are both forks! That’s what a fork is... one path, then two! Look: /—- ——— \—- Which is the “original” the top or bottom. I feel like I’m arguing with a 6 year old.
- dang 6y ago
  Between this and "What are you talking about? Can you read?" and other things you posted, you've crossed well into bannable territory. Devolving into flamewar and personal attack is not acceptable on HN. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
  - crazydoggers 6y ago
    You’re right and I’ll refrain in the future. Is there anything being done by HN to curb misinformation? Or is it left up to users to downvote purposeful misinformation campaigns by users? Unfortunately HN is becoming less useful as the same types of tactics which are occurring on Facebook and other social media platform begin to manifest here. Twitter at least now tags for posts with misleading claims. https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-our-approach-to-misleading-information.html https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-... I do appreciate all the work you do, I’m sure it’s a constant battle. And I definitely regret getting personal. But please also have some compassion for users that want this to be a place of facts and elevated discussion. When threads are flooded with these comments it gets super frustrating. I attempt to combat actively misleading information with facts, data, and neutral discussion, and am met with more of the same falsehoods, prejudice without any data or facts to support their assertions. And then I find that some users get swayed by the falsehoods. In addition there are clearly vote rings, since my most balanced positive contributes with facts that counter false assertions are heavily downvoted, while thin comments posting blatant misleading information often get upvoted. So I have gotten angry with those posts, and I do regret that. But please... HN is drastically in need of a better moderation system. It can’t rely on the positive nature of a limited crowd of users any more as it gets more popular. Again, thanks for all you do. I hope HN rises to the occasion.
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    - jki275 6y ago
      It's really baffling to see you keep posting as though you are some protector of truth and decency on the internet when you're literally running a shill campaign here, posting literally false information continually, name calling and flamespraying anyone who doesn't agree with you. You simply don't have any moral high ground here.
      - dang 6y ago
        Please don't pile on. Another commenter breaking the site guidelines doesn't make it ok to break them yourself—on the contrary, that's arguably worse than the original transgression, since it's the cascade of responses that lead to all-out flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to warn you about this kind of thing repeatedly in the past, and unfortunately it seems that your recent comments have been breaking the site guidelines frequently, and even egregiously. That will get you banned here. I don't want to ban you, so would you please review the rules and stick to them?
        jki275 6y ago
        Seriously?
        dang 6y ago
        Sure. Even if someone else posted bad comments or broke the site guidelines, it doesn't make it ok for you to do that. If you don't see how your comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525566 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26527596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26527596 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532083 (and so on) broke the site guidelines, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html until you do; that page is written to make that obvious.
crazydoggers 6y ago
Again, that makes no sense. And I never claimed one was a fork and the other not. They are both forks! That’s what a fork is... one path, then two! Look: /—- ——— \—- Which is the “original” the top or bottom.
- jki275 6y ago
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  - crazydoggers 6y ago
    I thought your drawing was a joke, but I just realized you are trying to diagram a rollback of the chain or something. The problem is, that is not at all how it worked, or how the block chain works. If what I think you are trying to show happened, then all the transactions for all the other users that happened around the same time of the DAO hack would have also been rolled back. That most definitely did not happen.

You've claimed ETC was the fork. It wasn't. ETH was the fork, ETC is the original chain.

by jki275 6y ago

You've claimed ETC was the fork. It wasn't. ETH was the fork, ETC is the original chain.

Again, that makes no sense. And I never claimed one was a fork and the other not. They are both forks! That’s what a fork is... one path, then two! Look: /—- ——— \—- Which is the “original” the top or bottom. I feel like I’m arguing with a 6 year old.

dang 6y ago
Between this and "What are you talking about? Can you read?" and other things you posted, you've crossed well into bannable territory. Devolving into flamewar and personal attack is not acceptable on HN. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.
- crazydoggers 6y ago
  You’re right and I’ll refrain in the future. Is there anything being done by HN to curb misinformation? Or is it left up to users to downvote purposeful misinformation campaigns by users? Unfortunately HN is becoming less useful as the same types of tactics which are occurring on Facebook and other social media platform begin to manifest here. Twitter at least now tags for posts with misleading claims. https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-our-approach-to-misleading-information.html https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2020/updating-... I do appreciate all the work you do, I’m sure it’s a constant battle. And I definitely regret getting personal. But please also have some compassion for users that want this to be a place of facts and elevated discussion. When threads are flooded with these comments it gets super frustrating. I attempt to combat actively misleading information with facts, data, and neutral discussion, and am met with more of the same falsehoods, prejudice without any data or facts to support their assertions. And then I find that some users get swayed by the falsehoods. In addition there are clearly vote rings, since my most balanced positive contributes with facts that counter false assertions are heavily downvoted, while thin comments posting blatant misleading information often get upvoted. So I have gotten angry with those posts, and I do regret that. But please... HN is drastically in need of a better moderation system. It can’t rely on the positive nature of a limited crowd of users any more as it gets more popular. Again, thanks for all you do. I hope HN rises to the occasion.
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  - jki275 6y ago
    It's really baffling to see you keep posting as though you are some protector of truth and decency on the internet when you're literally running a shill campaign here, posting literally false information continually, name calling and flamespraying anyone who doesn't agree with you. You simply don't have any moral high ground here.
    - dang 6y ago
      Please don't pile on. Another commenter breaking the site guidelines doesn't make it ok to break them yourself—on the contrary, that's arguably worse than the original transgression, since it's the cascade of responses that lead to all-out flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to warn you about this kind of thing repeatedly in the past, and unfortunately it seems that your recent comments have been breaking the site guidelines frequently, and even egregiously. That will get you banned here. I don't want to ban you, so would you please review the rules and stick to them?
      - jki275 6y ago
        Seriously?
        dang 6y ago
        Sure. Even if someone else posted bad comments or broke the site guidelines, it doesn't make it ok for you to do that. If you don't see how your comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26525566 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26527596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26527596 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532083 (and so on) broke the site guidelines, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html until you do; that page is written to make that obvious.

crazydoggers 6y ago

jki275 6y ago
---------------------------------------------------- | ------- | -------------------------------- couldn't be more obvious, could it?
- crazydoggers 6y ago
  I thought your drawing was a joke, but I just realized you are trying to diagram a rollback of the chain or something. The problem is, that is not at all how it worked, or how the block chain works. If what I think you are trying to show happened, then all the transactions for all the other users that happened around the same time of the DAO hack would have also been rolled back. That most definitely did not happen.