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> The competition is coming but they will probably find it difficult to compete with Tesla on price. There are plenty of cheaper EVs than Tesla e.g. Leaf, Zoe,

> The competition is coming but they will probably find it difficult to compete with Tesla on price. There are plenty of cheaper EVs than Tesla e.g. Leaf, Zoe, Ioniq, Kona. And there are technically better EVs than Tesla e.g. Porsche Taycan. And you can argue there are EVs that are as good value e.g. VW ID.3/4.

jpgvm 6y ago
I love VW and I think they are going to make awesome EVs but saying the Taycan is "technically better" is an outright lie or an unfortunate ignorance. The drivetrain in the Model 3 is vastly more efficient and elegant in design. The overall systems design is more of the same, more efficient and elegant with simplified wiring harness, less onboard computers and more sophisticated infotainment and drive computers at that. What the Taycan does do better is feel more like a sports car, has better finishing and likely much better quality control. But "technically" Tesla is 5-10 years ahead of everyone except maybe Lucid which have been building advanced batteries and drivetrains for Model-E for the last decade.
- threeseed 6y ago
  Taycan is based on an 800V architecture which allows for lower charging temperatures and significantly faster charging speeds. It's objectively better than anything in a Tesla.
  - jpgvm 6y ago
    Simply having a higher voltage architecture doesn't make it superior. It makes some aspects better but you need to consider the whole picture and that includes the efficiency of the drivetrain front and center as that determines range per kwh of battery capacity. It's worth mentioning I consider the Taycan to be a better and more fun car. I just don't agree it's technically superior to the Tesla Model 3 on drivetrain/battery/onboard computer aspects.
situationista 6y ago
All true. But you could argue it's beside the point, because che cheaper ones have other significant drawbacks (e.g. range, no driver-assist), and technically better ones are way more expensive. It's the combination of price-point, range, software and scalability in production that's difficult to achieve - any single one is relatively easy metric to beat Tesla on.

jpgvm 6y ago

I love VW and I think they are going to make awesome EVs but saying the Taycan is "technically better" is an outright lie or an unfortunate ignorance. The drivetrain in the Model 3 is vastly more efficient and elegant in design. The overall systems design is more of the same, more efficient and elegant with simplified wiring harness, less onboard computers and more sophisticated infotainment and drive computers at that. What the Taycan does do better is feel more like a sports car, has better finishing and likely much better quality control. But "technically" Tesla is 5-10 years ahead of everyone except maybe Lucid which have been building advanced batteries and drivetrains for Model-E for the last decade.

threeseed 6y ago
Taycan is based on an 800V architecture which allows for lower charging temperatures and significantly faster charging speeds. It's objectively better than anything in a Tesla.
- jpgvm 6y ago
  Simply having a higher voltage architecture doesn't make it superior. It makes some aspects better but you need to consider the whole picture and that includes the efficiency of the drivetrain front and center as that determines range per kwh of battery capacity. It's worth mentioning I consider the Taycan to be a better and more fun car. I just don't agree it's technically superior to the Tesla Model 3 on drivetrain/battery/onboard computer aspects.

situationista 6y ago

All true. But you could argue it's beside the point, because che cheaper ones have other significant drawbacks (e.g. range, no driver-assist), and technically better ones are way more expensive. It's the combination of price-point, range, software and scalability in production that's difficult to achieve - any single one is relatively easy metric to beat Tesla on.