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Alright. This is a fair point. I go way out of my way to discourage underage visitors to the erotica website I run, and I do agree that there is tremendous sens

Alright. This is a fair point. I go way out of my way to discourage underage visitors to the erotica website I run, and I do agree that there is tremendous sensitivity in the current era towards the notion of anything sexual involving children. Despite that, I don't think such sensitivity is unreasonable. I do believe that children are sexual from quite an early age, and that that should be accepted and encouraged from a sexual wellness perspective, but simultaneously I think children are abused very frequently even in this era and we should continue to do everything we can to protect them from abuse. I still see plenty of "stories of my childhood" on erotica websites, and I don't see anyone going out of their way to shut them down. Example: solotouch ( not my website, but a common example with many such stories ) Another legal example that comes to mind is the man who was convicted for importing obscene hentai manga. I personally believe hentai should be considered free speech but that is certainly not the case in the legal arena right now. My point remains that I believe the world is very accepting of many types of erotica that I had previously thought would be highly frowned upon. I will point out that under the miller test ( the main law concerning this in the US ), textual material that is artistically meaningful as writing does not constitute illegal writing. I myself shy away from writing any erotica describing explicit sexual activity of minors, but I still believe it to be legal if written well enough... I does though fail 2 of the 3 prongs on the miller test: 1. The average person would agree that description of explicit child sexual activity is illegal. ( fiction wise at least; I think accounts of childhood activity may be deemed acceptable by many normal folk ) 2. Description of child sexual activity is patently offensive. In the case of Lolita, for the most part, the book isn't terribly explicit in nature. It also ensures its legality by being an instance of well written fiction. Other applicable law is "activity contributing to the delinquency of minors". So, it isn't unreasonable for something that is otherwise legal to be illegal ( for good reason ) if it is used to encourage minors to engage in sexual activity ( with adults or for the entertainment of adults ) Essentially, the world is very accepting of erotica in many forms. The world simultaneously has many laws to attempt to protect children while maintaining the general acceptance.

Duennepaper 6y ago
"I do believe that children are sexual from quite an early age, and that that should be accepted and encouraged from a sexual wellness perspective." wtf?
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- jowsie 6y ago
  Did you never have a sexual feeling before you reached the age of consent?
  - nainarb 6y ago
    I did
  - Duennepaper 6y ago
    I did, i hadn't had the feeling to mention this in this wording on a forum like this. Something like this goes very quickly in direction of pedophiles.
- devwastaken 6y ago
  What's wtf about it? It's biologically accurate. What they mean is you shouldn't tell a teen that sex is bad and evil and their instincts for sexual contact are not bad and evil.
  - buisi 6y ago
    I agree with your points, but the wording in the post is very vague. If they mean teens, they should say teens directly, rather than using the word "children" which is easy to misunderstand.
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buisi 6y ago
Some things which people write or draw are certainly repugnant, extremely repugnant, including some particular forms of hentai manga, and if someone were actually acting out the activities described within, then I would want them to go to prison for a very long time. But, committing a terrible act, and writing about it from a fictional perspective are completely different things. I don't think people are so brainless as to blindly follow what is happening in a hentai manga. Someone doesn't simply "become" the sort of person who would do that, just by consuming fictional material, and if they're using purely fictional material, it could be even argued they're actively avoiding it. The actual risk factors for abuse (and not merely creating / consuming prohibited content) I know of are: Some people have poor mental health. Being unable to express yourself and having to shut things in would not help. Luckily, we have many ways to improve someone's mental health. Mental health can also improve if someone has supportive friends. This could be considered the main factor. There are people who look for substitutes for a partner and unscrupulously pick that. Someone may be physically incapable of feeling anything to adults and only to children. A recent scientific paper said that some address their loneliness by creating dolls and talking to them to keep them company. Banning and prohibiting things might frustrate them, but it wouldn't actually solve anything, other than making it clear that they have nothing to lose. I am sure there are other possible factors, but I don't think I have ever seen "I saw it in a book" mentioned as one. Even Dr. Seto, who is a leading expert in this area, believes that those who would abuse, are those who would have abused either way, irregardless of this content being available.
- nanoscopic 6y ago
  I agree that hentai manga can be very disgusting. Rape scenes involving children is a theme that is commonly available. Having set foot in a doujinshi shop in Akihabara ( down a random alley in the basement ), they are apparently also quite popular in Japan. The cover of many doujinshi ( of that variety ) are of undressed children in explicit poses. I would have snapped a photo of said shop if there weren't signs everywhere saying "no photos allowed", to show people just exactly how much this is a thing. So long as the creators are sourcing their artistic style on imagination and/or non-sexual source art, I don't think there is any real harm being done, and therefore I personally believe such should still be legal. I do, though, question the purpose of it and agree that it is pretty disturbing content. I disagree that you cannot become a twisted person by viewing sufficient twisted content. The perspective matters of course, but I could readily believe that an otherwise harmless pervert could become inclined to enacting harm against others after reading a sufficient amount of such content. The pervert has their fantasies enthralled, and thus begins to believe more-so that enacting things in the way described is acceptable. In this way, I think the way the perverse content is depicted matters. If it is depicted in a way that makes it seem like wonderful fun to abuse others, then I agree it should become illegal. I also can't think of depictions that I would approve of myself and can only think of depictions less likely to encourage harm. I agree with the idea that hentai manga provides an outlet for people who may enact their fantasies in reality if they did not have that outlet. The idea is that the hentai serves as a punching bag of sorts. I could believe that some believe they can only be attracted to children and not to adults, but I don't think that justifies and means they have a right to view sexualized kids or art of it. I'd argue that such individuals are better off just enjoying normal manga and hentai instead of getting involved in hentai. As I mentioned previously, I author erotica. One question I have asked myself many times is "Am I encouraging or causing others to engage in the fictional behavior I have imagined and written?" Having read the reviews of my writing by readers; I strongly believe the answer is "Yes. Whatever fictional content I create, should it be believable and seem sufficiently safe, will be enacted by readers as a result of learning about it." The "readers should understand it is fiction and not enact the fantasy" excuse doesn't fly in my mind. Many readers will not understand that clearly, regardless of even being told to keep this in mind, and will still enact the fiction.

Duennepaper 6y ago

"I do believe that children are sexual from quite an early age, and that that should be accepted and encouraged from a sexual wellness perspective." wtf?

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jowsie 6y ago
Did you never have a sexual feeling before you reached the age of consent?
- nainarb 6y ago
  I did
- Duennepaper 6y ago
  I did, i hadn't had the feeling to mention this in this wording on a forum like this. Something like this goes very quickly in direction of pedophiles.
devwastaken 6y ago
What's wtf about it? It's biologically accurate. What they mean is you shouldn't tell a teen that sex is bad and evil and their instincts for sexual contact are not bad and evil.
- buisi 6y ago
  I agree with your points, but the wording in the post is very vague. If they mean teens, they should say teens directly, rather than using the word "children" which is easy to misunderstand.
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buisi 6y ago

Some things which people write or draw are certainly repugnant, extremely repugnant, including some particular forms of hentai manga, and if someone were actually acting out the activities described within, then I would want them to go to prison for a very long time. But, committing a terrible act, and writing about it from a fictional perspective are completely different things. I don't think people are so brainless as to blindly follow what is happening in a hentai manga. Someone doesn't simply "become" the sort of person who would do that, just by consuming fictional material, and if they're using purely fictional material, it could be even argued they're actively avoiding it. The actual risk factors for abuse (and not merely creating / consuming prohibited content) I know of are: Some people have poor mental health. Being unable to express yourself and having to shut things in would not help. Luckily, we have many ways to improve someone's mental health. Mental health can also improve if someone has supportive friends. This could be considered the main factor. There are people who look for substitutes for a partner and unscrupulously pick that. Someone may be physically incapable of feeling anything to adults and only to children. A recent scientific paper said that some address their loneliness by creating dolls and talking to them to keep them company. Banning and prohibiting things might frustrate them, but it wouldn't actually solve anything, other than making it clear that they have nothing to lose. I am sure there are other possible factors, but I don't think I have ever seen "I saw it in a book" mentioned as one. Even Dr. Seto, who is a leading expert in this area, believes that those who would abuse, are those who would have abused either way, irregardless of this content being available.

nanoscopic 6y ago
I agree that hentai manga can be very disgusting. Rape scenes involving children is a theme that is commonly available. Having set foot in a doujinshi shop in Akihabara ( down a random alley in the basement ), they are apparently also quite popular in Japan. The cover of many doujinshi ( of that variety ) are of undressed children in explicit poses. I would have snapped a photo of said shop if there weren't signs everywhere saying "no photos allowed", to show people just exactly how much this is a thing. So long as the creators are sourcing their artistic style on imagination and/or non-sexual source art, I don't think there is any real harm being done, and therefore I personally believe such should still be legal. I do, though, question the purpose of it and agree that it is pretty disturbing content. I disagree that you cannot become a twisted person by viewing sufficient twisted content. The perspective matters of course, but I could readily believe that an otherwise harmless pervert could become inclined to enacting harm against others after reading a sufficient amount of such content. The pervert has their fantasies enthralled, and thus begins to believe more-so that enacting things in the way described is acceptable. In this way, I think the way the perverse content is depicted matters. If it is depicted in a way that makes it seem like wonderful fun to abuse others, then I agree it should become illegal. I also can't think of depictions that I would approve of myself and can only think of depictions less likely to encourage harm. I agree with the idea that hentai manga provides an outlet for people who may enact their fantasies in reality if they did not have that outlet. The idea is that the hentai serves as a punching bag of sorts. I could believe that some believe they can only be attracted to children and not to adults, but I don't think that justifies and means they have a right to view sexualized kids or art of it. I'd argue that such individuals are better off just enjoying normal manga and hentai instead of getting involved in hentai. As I mentioned previously, I author erotica. One question I have asked myself many times is "Am I encouraging or causing others to engage in the fictional behavior I have imagined and written?" Having read the reviews of my writing by readers; I strongly believe the answer is "Yes. Whatever fictional content I create, should it be believable and seem sufficiently safe, will be enacted by readers as a result of learning about it." The "readers should understand it is fiction and not enact the fantasy" excuse doesn't fly in my mind. Many readers will not understand that clearly, regardless of even being told to keep this in mind, and will still enact the fiction.