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Source: http://hop2.nn-crew.cc/npd/ http://hop2.nn-crew.cc/npd/ Slightly edited Google Translate: First, a few words in advance. I am a proud German, I love G

by VMG 15y ago

Source: http://hop2.nn-crew.cc/npd/ http://hop2.nn-crew.cc/npd/ Slightly edited Google Translate: First, a few words in advance. I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany. If politics or the law will prosecute me, my heart aches. Because if they doe, all the great words of politicians are vain. Words such as: we will not allow that brings the NPD or the right wing of our children on the wrong track. We will do everything to the NPD or the Nazis to stop them. I know my actions will provoke a broad public interest. That is exactly my goal. I want the Germans are proud of themselves and their country, of the history and achievements. The whole world envies us for our intelligence and knowledge. But ok, that is up to you. The NPD can do what they want, I basically do not care. But if there is one thing I do care about, it is our children and our youth. I will not allow the NPD to gain more influence and spread their propaganda material on school grounds. The NPD is trying to influence our most precious treasure. I am assuming that you exceed, as a reader, a certain intellectual level to understanding for what I mean by "treasure". I am not a man of great words. And for this reason I will leave it at that.

mhd 15y ago
"I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany." First step: Don't ever talk like that.
- radiosnob 15y ago
  as a non-german living in germany, why?
  - mhd 15y ago
    We had some bad experiences with "Deutschland über Alles" a couple of years ago, so "proud to be a German" and things like that are frowned upon, as they evoke the wrong images. I leave the discussion about the merits of patriotism out of this, as it really doesn't matter that much here. This is more about advertising than content, and repeating the now unsung verses of the national anthem is generally considered a bit more than just a faux pas and causes legions of British reporters to perk up their ears...
    - nickik 15y ago
      I'm not a big fan of patriotism either but saying your proud of your country is basiclly what almost everybody in every country sais.
      - darklajid 15y ago
        I agree with his points (now): It's not the pride in itself (we can argue if that is helpful, but that's not what mhd critizises). It's the phrase used (or - a couple of phrases, plus maybe the general tone) that leads to really nasty subtext. The translation is incomplete. He didn't write "Ich bin stolz auf Deutschland" (I'm proud of Germany), he used "Ich bin ein stolzer Deutscher" (I'm a proud German), a phrase that is heavily (ab)used by the far right, the extremists.
        nickik 15y ago
        Im from Switzerland im well awair of what you translated I agree that the phrase is (ab)used by the extremist but just because somebody sais it I would say he is a extremist. A person that hacked NPD isn't like an extremist just somebody that probebly is just a bit to much of a patriot. You can find enought people like that and the are not all extremists.
      - JabavuAdams 15y ago
        You must not be Canadian. The whole "I'm proud to be X" would sound a bit rude or ignorant in my circles.
        anamax 15y ago
        > The whole "I'm proud to be X" would sound a bit rude or ignorant in my circles. Of course it's rude. Everyone knows that you're supposed to say "I'm happy/proud to not be an American."
        JabavuAdams 15y ago
        No, that's not what I'm getting at. I'm trying to convey a different perspective. For example very few houses or business here have flags. It's mostly a car-dealership / cottage thing. It's actually just jarring to see how many flags are on display in the US even without getting into political sympathies. It's the visual equivalent of someone shouting in public.
  - ciex 15y ago
    If you are proud of your country it means that you associate value with everything that is connected to the country. This value is intrinsic (for example everything manufactured in Germany has an intrinsic value because it is of German origin and you are proud of Germany). The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your own country. Since everything from your country has an intrinsic value to you, everything not from your country lacks this value and is therefore less valuable to you. This would be OK if it was limited to manufactured products but sadly it includes people as well as whole cultures. So being proud of your country makes you devalue everything from other countries before even considering its real value.
    - perlgeek 15y ago
      > The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your own country. No. Valuing something does not automatically devalue everything else. If I say "I like German food", I'm not implying that I'm not liking Korean food or something. People really are capable of liking more than one thing. In consequence I don't see any problem with loving your country, as long as you don't take the step of hating or devaluing everything else.
      - JabavuAdams 15y ago
        > If I say "I like German food", I'm not implying that I'm not liking Korean food or something. Except, that's not what the original quote said. > I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany. I am a proud German, I love German food above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of German food. Apples to oranges.
- darklajid 15y ago
  I'm German and have no love for (any really. I just don't seem to "get" it) the country. Your comment surprised me though, because it was very short (abd therefor seemed arbitrary, snarky). Thanks a lot for explaining your reasons later on - it was only then that I actually clicked the link above and read the original german text. Your point is great. I wouldn't want to have a beer with someone writing like this guy. But you did yourself a disfavor by replying in this terse style at first.
unsigner 15y ago
"We will do everything to the NPD or the Nazis to stop them." - so would they e.g. torch their HQ building, assuming no one is inside? I'm not the greatest fan of either Sony or this German party, but I find the idea of vigilantism quite disturbing. Don't anyone dare approach the Internet if their political views don't align with those of Anonymous.

by VMG 15y ago

mhd 15y ago

"I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany." First step: Don't ever talk like that.

radiosnob 15y ago
as a non-german living in germany, why?
- mhd 15y ago
  We had some bad experiences with "Deutschland über Alles" a couple of years ago, so "proud to be a German" and things like that are frowned upon, as they evoke the wrong images. I leave the discussion about the merits of patriotism out of this, as it really doesn't matter that much here. This is more about advertising than content, and repeating the now unsung verses of the national anthem is generally considered a bit more than just a faux pas and causes legions of British reporters to perk up their ears...
  - nickik 15y ago
    I'm not a big fan of patriotism either but saying your proud of your country is basiclly what almost everybody in every country sais.
    - darklajid 15y ago
      I agree with his points (now): It's not the pride in itself (we can argue if that is helpful, but that's not what mhd critizises). It's the phrase used (or - a couple of phrases, plus maybe the general tone) that leads to really nasty subtext. The translation is incomplete. He didn't write "Ich bin stolz auf Deutschland" (I'm proud of Germany), he used "Ich bin ein stolzer Deutscher" (I'm a proud German), a phrase that is heavily (ab)used by the far right, the extremists.
      - nickik 15y ago
        Im from Switzerland im well awair of what you translated I agree that the phrase is (ab)used by the extremist but just because somebody sais it I would say he is a extremist. A person that hacked NPD isn't like an extremist just somebody that probebly is just a bit to much of a patriot. You can find enought people like that and the are not all extremists.
    - JabavuAdams 15y ago
      You must not be Canadian. The whole "I'm proud to be X" would sound a bit rude or ignorant in my circles.
      - anamax 15y ago
        > The whole "I'm proud to be X" would sound a bit rude or ignorant in my circles. Of course it's rude. Everyone knows that you're supposed to say "I'm happy/proud to not be an American."
        JabavuAdams 15y ago
        No, that's not what I'm getting at. I'm trying to convey a different perspective. For example very few houses or business here have flags. It's mostly a car-dealership / cottage thing. It's actually just jarring to see how many flags are on display in the US even without getting into political sympathies. It's the visual equivalent of someone shouting in public.
- ciex 15y ago
  If you are proud of your country it means that you associate value with everything that is connected to the country. This value is intrinsic (for example everything manufactured in Germany has an intrinsic value because it is of German origin and you are proud of Germany). The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your own country. Since everything from your country has an intrinsic value to you, everything not from your country lacks this value and is therefore less valuable to you. This would be OK if it was limited to manufactured products but sadly it includes people as well as whole cultures. So being proud of your country makes you devalue everything from other countries before even considering its real value.
  - perlgeek 15y ago
    > The problem is that this line of thought automatically devalues everything not from your own country if it can be compared to something from your own country. No. Valuing something does not automatically devalue everything else. If I say "I like German food", I'm not implying that I'm not liking Korean food or something. People really are capable of liking more than one thing. In consequence I don't see any problem with loving your country, as long as you don't take the step of hating or devaluing everything else.
    - JabavuAdams 15y ago
      > If I say "I like German food", I'm not implying that I'm not liking Korean food or something. Except, that's not what the original quote said. > I am a proud German, I love Germany above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of Germany. I am a proud German, I love German food above everything, and I do everything in my power to improve the image of German food. Apples to oranges.
darklajid 15y ago
I'm German and have no love for (any really. I just don't seem to "get" it) the country. Your comment surprised me though, because it was very short (abd therefor seemed arbitrary, snarky). Thanks a lot for explaining your reasons later on - it was only then that I actually clicked the link above and read the original german text. Your point is great. I wouldn't want to have a beer with someone writing like this guy. But you did yourself a disfavor by replying in this terse style at first.

unsigner 15y ago

"We will do everything to the NPD or the Nazis to stop them." - so would they e.g. torch their HQ building, assuming no one is inside? I'm not the greatest fan of either Sony or this German party, but I find the idea of vigilantism quite disturbing. Don't anyone dare approach the Internet if their political views don't align with those of Anonymous.