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Nobody is asking you to do it so why are you so pressed?

sundaeofshock 6y ago
Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. I didn’t sign-up for the beta program, so I’m pretty pissed to be an unwilling participant.
- NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
  >Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. Heh: >Because horseless carriages pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Ford.
  - IncRnd 6y ago
    There has now been a history of over a hundred years, wherein cars have been driven. We normally require a minimum age before a prospective driver may obtain a learner's permit to drive within a city, unlike this FSD, which in the linked video drove like a drunk driver.
    - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
      Human driving tests are hilariously easy. I bet it would pass with flying colors. Driving in downtown Oakland was incredibly complex with all sorts of unusual features, driving the course the car did in the video would have stressed me out a little, and I've been driving for 24 years. Full self driving does need to handle those situations to be trustworthy, but for highway driving and sedate suburban settings it's probably just fine.
      - tguvot 6y ago
        Human driving tests in USA are hilariously easy. In Israel you must take 8 or 12h of theory, after this written exam, followed by 30h of driving lessons. At this point if teacher thinks that you not gonna kill anyone, will make you internal driving test in driving school. If you pass, he will submit you to state driving test (you can't sign up by yourself). Driving test takes 40min, through city (including all possible variations of parking) and highway on unpredictable route. I think less than half manage to pass it on first attempt. If you passed, you get "new driving license" with a bunch of limitations (no passengers, supervision of experienced driver for 1 year, etc). If you get a violation of anything, license is taken and back to driving test. After few years there is mandatory refresh course of (advanced) theory with exam. If you fail exam, back to driving school you go. Edit: add into the mix, crazy, Mediterranean style driving on streets where exam takes place
        IncRnd 6y ago
        > Edit: add into the mix, crazy, Mediterranean style driving on streets where exam takes place The test must not screen people well enough if there are that many "crazy, Mediterranean style drivers" on the streets who already passed.
        tguvot 6y ago
        they become crazy past test. environmental pressure and evolutionary selection :) but, from my vague memories, when you sign up to theory lessons you need to bring note from doctor that you are healthy and have no history of mental disorders (serious stuff) and such
      - jjav 6y ago
        > Human driving tests are hilariously easy. I bet it would pass with flying colors. Driving tests are indeed way too easy, however, the level of driving seen in these Tesla videos would get any human driver a fail on the test. Just the constant indecisive jerking of the wheel would be a fail, let alone all the near crashes.
      - KaiserPro 6y ago
        In the USA, yes they are. In europe, they are far more strict.
  - gifnamething 6y ago
    Over 1 million people are killed by 'horseless carriages' every year. That's not including the ones who will die from climate change.
    - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
      Yep, driving your car is the most dangerous things a person can do in an ordinary day, but that hasn't stopped us from making them or using them, has it? We are not the brightest, nor safest species.
  - camjohnson26 6y ago
    By that logic no potential new technology can ever be dangerous. What if it turns out FSD is less safe than humans because the technology doesn’t work? Plenty of people got sold dangerous flying machines before flight was actually invented.
    - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
      It's not logic, just an observation that we embrace technologies that are dangerous anyway.
      - camjohnson26 6y ago
        But only when there is a clear benefit, for Tesla’s version of full self driving that’s far from clear.
jowsie 6y ago
If you drive a car, you don't get a choice. Just because you're not in the Tesla doesn't mean you aren't part of the beta.

Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. I didn’t sign-up for the beta program, so I’m pretty pissed to be an unwilling participant.

NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
>Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. Heh: >Because horseless carriages pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Ford.
- IncRnd 6y ago
  There has now been a history of over a hundred years, wherein cars have been driven. We normally require a minimum age before a prospective driver may obtain a learner's permit to drive within a city, unlike this FSD, which in the linked video drove like a drunk driver.
  - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
    Human driving tests are hilariously easy. I bet it would pass with flying colors. Driving in downtown Oakland was incredibly complex with all sorts of unusual features, driving the course the car did in the video would have stressed me out a little, and I've been driving for 24 years. Full self driving does need to handle those situations to be trustworthy, but for highway driving and sedate suburban settings it's probably just fine.
    - tguvot 6y ago
      Human driving tests in USA are hilariously easy. In Israel you must take 8 or 12h of theory, after this written exam, followed by 30h of driving lessons. At this point if teacher thinks that you not gonna kill anyone, will make you internal driving test in driving school. If you pass, he will submit you to state driving test (you can't sign up by yourself). Driving test takes 40min, through city (including all possible variations of parking) and highway on unpredictable route. I think less than half manage to pass it on first attempt. If you passed, you get "new driving license" with a bunch of limitations (no passengers, supervision of experienced driver for 1 year, etc). If you get a violation of anything, license is taken and back to driving test. After few years there is mandatory refresh course of (advanced) theory with exam. If you fail exam, back to driving school you go. Edit: add into the mix, crazy, Mediterranean style driving on streets where exam takes place
      - IncRnd 6y ago
        > Edit: add into the mix, crazy, Mediterranean style driving on streets where exam takes place The test must not screen people well enough if there are that many "crazy, Mediterranean style drivers" on the streets who already passed.
        tguvot 6y ago
        they become crazy past test. environmental pressure and evolutionary selection :) but, from my vague memories, when you sign up to theory lessons you need to bring note from doctor that you are healthy and have no history of mental disorders (serious stuff) and such
    - jjav 6y ago
      > Human driving tests are hilariously easy. I bet it would pass with flying colors. Driving tests are indeed way too easy, however, the level of driving seen in these Tesla videos would get any human driver a fail on the test. Just the constant indecisive jerking of the wheel would be a fail, let alone all the near crashes.
    - KaiserPro 6y ago
      In the USA, yes they are. In europe, they are far more strict.
- gifnamething 6y ago
  Over 1 million people are killed by 'horseless carriages' every year. That's not including the ones who will die from climate change.
  - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
    Yep, driving your car is the most dangerous things a person can do in an ordinary day, but that hasn't stopped us from making them or using them, has it? We are not the brightest, nor safest species.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  By that logic no potential new technology can ever be dangerous. What if it turns out FSD is less safe than humans because the technology doesn’t work? Plenty of people got sold dangerous flying machines before flight was actually invented.
  - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
    It's not logic, just an observation that we embrace technologies that are dangerous anyway.
    - camjohnson26 6y ago
      But only when there is a clear benefit, for Tesla’s version of full self driving that’s far from clear.

jowsie 6y ago

If you drive a car, you don't get a choice. Just because you're not in the Tesla doesn't mean you aren't part of the beta.