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Why wouldn’t everyone jump at the opportunity to pay Elon Musk money and risk their lives and time so he can get enough data to then make even more billions.

todd3834 6y ago
People probably want to be the first to try something that, if it worked, would change humanity as we know it. Or even just contribute to the progress in their own way. Money is hardly the only motivation for many things, nothing stopping them from owning Tesla stock if they really believed their involvement was going to make billions though.
- barbazoo 6y ago
  How would a self driving car "change humanity as we know it"? Sure it might make travel by car suck less but not in any significant way that would change humanity in any meaningful way. At least not outside of a very narrow bubble we might be a part of.
- addicted 6y ago
  Humanity was supposed to have been changed 4 years ago. It’s fairly obvious that the only thing people will achieve is killing themselves, their loved ones, or innocent bystanders. And Tesla will bring us nowhere closer. Anyways, hasn’t Tesla been far more successful as a Bitcoin marketing company in a week than as a manufacturer of cars for over a decade? If you do want to risk your lives over advancing humanity why not risk it with Waymo which is actually making progress in this arena.
justanotherhn 6y ago
Nobody is asking you to do it so why are you so pressed?
- sundaeofshock 6y ago
  Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. I didn’t sign-up for the beta program, so I’m pretty pissed to be an unwilling participant.
  - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
    >Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. Heh: >Because horseless carriages pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Ford.
    - IncRnd 6y ago
      There has now been a history of over a hundred years, wherein cars have been driven. We normally require a minimum age before a prospective driver may obtain a learner's permit to drive within a city, unlike this FSD, which in the linked video drove like a drunk driver.
      - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
        Human driving tests are hilariously easy. I bet it would pass with flying colors. Driving in downtown Oakland was incredibly complex with all sorts of unusual features, driving the course the car did in the video would have stressed me out a little, and I've been driving for 24 years. Full self driving does need to handle those situations to be trustworthy, but for highway driving and sedate suburban settings it's probably just fine.
        tguvot 6y ago
        Human driving tests in USA are hilariously easy. In Israel you must take 8 or 12h of theory, after this written exam, followed by 30h of driving lessons. At this point if teacher thinks that you not gonna kill anyone, will make you internal driving test in driving school. If you pass, he will submit you to state driving test (you can't sign up by yourself). Driving test takes 40min, through city (including all possible variations of parking) and highway on unpredictable route. I think less than half manage to pass it on first attempt. If you passed, you get "new driving license" with a bunch of limitations (no passengers, supervision of experienced driver for 1 year, etc). If you get a violation of anything, license is taken and back to driving test. After few years there is mandatory refresh course of (advanced) theory with exam. If you fail exam, back to driving school you go. Edit: add into the mix, crazy, Mediterranean style driving on streets where exam takes place
- jowsie 6y ago
  If you drive a car, you don't get a choice. Just because you're not in the Tesla doesn't mean you aren't part of the beta.
mindfulplay 6y ago
Not just the Tesla drivers but the pedestrians and the other cars that have to deal with this unsafe, dangerous behavior. Watching the live 3d view shown in these videos - it's a very erratic representation of the world around it and should give a pause to anyone that thinks this is "FSD".
drusepth 6y ago
I'd happily pay some money to help test something that I've hoped and dreamed would be possible in my lifetime. Driving sucks and is dangerous as hell. Anything that 1) makes me need to drive less often, or 2) makes driving safer is a worthwhile financial & time investment for me.

todd3834 6y ago

People probably want to be the first to try something that, if it worked, would change humanity as we know it. Or even just contribute to the progress in their own way. Money is hardly the only motivation for many things, nothing stopping them from owning Tesla stock if they really believed their involvement was going to make billions though.

barbazoo 6y ago
How would a self driving car "change humanity as we know it"? Sure it might make travel by car suck less but not in any significant way that would change humanity in any meaningful way. At least not outside of a very narrow bubble we might be a part of.
addicted 6y ago
Humanity was supposed to have been changed 4 years ago. It’s fairly obvious that the only thing people will achieve is killing themselves, their loved ones, or innocent bystanders. And Tesla will bring us nowhere closer. Anyways, hasn’t Tesla been far more successful as a Bitcoin marketing company in a week than as a manufacturer of cars for over a decade? If you do want to risk your lives over advancing humanity why not risk it with Waymo which is actually making progress in this arena.

justanotherhn 6y ago

Nobody is asking you to do it so why are you so pressed?

sundaeofshock 6y ago
Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. I didn’t sign-up for the beta program, so I’m pretty pissed to be an unwilling participant.
- NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
  >Because Teslas pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Musk. Heh: >Because horseless carriages pose a risk to people who did not throw money at Ford.
  - IncRnd 6y ago
    There has now been a history of over a hundred years, wherein cars have been driven. We normally require a minimum age before a prospective driver may obtain a learner's permit to drive within a city, unlike this FSD, which in the linked video drove like a drunk driver.
    - NaturalPhallacy 6y ago
      Human driving tests are hilariously easy. I bet it would pass with flying colors. Driving in downtown Oakland was incredibly complex with all sorts of unusual features, driving the course the car did in the video would have stressed me out a little, and I've been driving for 24 years. Full self driving does need to handle those situations to be trustworthy, but for highway driving and sedate suburban settings it's probably just fine.
      - tguvot 6y ago
        Human driving tests in USA are hilariously easy. In Israel you must take 8 or 12h of theory, after this written exam, followed by 30h of driving lessons. At this point if teacher thinks that you not gonna kill anyone, will make you internal driving test in driving school. If you pass, he will submit you to state driving test (you can't sign up by yourself). Driving test takes 40min, through city (including all possible variations of parking) and highway on unpredictable route. I think less than half manage to pass it on first attempt. If you passed, you get "new driving license" with a bunch of limitations (no passengers, supervision of experienced driver for 1 year, etc). If you get a violation of anything, license is taken and back to driving test. After few years there is mandatory refresh course of (advanced) theory with exam. If you fail exam, back to driving school you go. Edit: add into the mix, crazy, Mediterranean style driving on streets where exam takes place
jowsie 6y ago
If you drive a car, you don't get a choice. Just because you're not in the Tesla doesn't mean you aren't part of the beta.

mindfulplay 6y ago

Not just the Tesla drivers but the pedestrians and the other cars that have to deal with this unsafe, dangerous behavior. Watching the live 3d view shown in these videos - it's a very erratic representation of the world around it and should give a pause to anyone that thinks this is "FSD".

drusepth 6y ago

I'd happily pay some money to help test something that I've hoped and dreamed would be possible in my lifetime. Driving sucks and is dangerous as hell. Anything that 1) makes me need to drive less often, or 2) makes driving safer is a worthwhile financial & time investment for me.