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Canada had may still have 270% tariffs on imported dairy products which they use to justify protecting their farmers. However what the article does bring up, j

Canada had may still have 270% tariffs on imported dairy products which they use to justify protecting their farmers. However what the article does bring up, just what is acceptable in cattle feed?

908B64B197 6y ago
> 270% tariffs Sad to see consumers paying the price for what is effectively a cartel. Why not simply compete?
- lostlogin 6y ago
  The funny but for me is that NZ dairy has been locked out of certain markets due to this sort of thing. Despite NZ being at the end of the earth, the miles travelled exporting our dairy to Europe are often less than those travelled by dairy produced and sold in Europe. However Fonterra a a terribly company and so NZ milk should probably be avoided for other reasons. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27814216_Food_Miles_-_Comparative_EnergyEmissions_Performance_of_New_Zealand_Agriculture_Industry https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27814216_Food_Miles...
- joelkesler 6y ago
  > Trump may not like it, but those tariffs are part of a politically sensitive, decades-old policy to protect Canada's dairy farmers. The system is called "supply management" and it sets production quotas for the country's dairy, poultry products and eggs. > Murray Sherk, the owner of the family-run Pinehill Dairy in Plattsville, Ontario, says supply management helps keep prices stable, gives farmers a steady income and has succeeded in avoiding a milk surplus in Canada. > "The stability of our system is of great benefit to not only farmers, but also all kinds of other businesses," he says — like restaurants and trucking. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/10/627271410/why-president-trump-hates-canadian-dairy-and-canada-insists-on-protecting-it https://www.npr.org/2018/07/10/627271410/why-president-trump... > With all we've learned during the pandemic about supply chains, why would anyone willingly out-source Canada’s supply of our most basic food items? https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-canada-should-keep-supply-management-off-the-table-in-future-trade-talks/ https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-canada-should-keep-suppl... I can’t see the tariffs going away. Canada also has banned the use of artificial growth hormones in dairy cows, and America has not. I don’t think many Canadians are ok with the amount of hormones in American dairy products.
  - rekabis 6y ago
    As a Canadian, I have zero problems with this setup. I have no problem paying a little more to ensure stable incomes for small farmers. I would rather see a dozen small farms with happy cows in the field, where the farmer personally knows each cow by name, than a single mega-farm with thousands of them all jammed into a single barn in a faceless hellscape of corporate profit maximization.
    - michael1999 6y ago
      I’m not sure I disagree with you, but triple the price isn’t just a little more.
      - maltalex 6y ago
        Granted, it’s a big markup in terms of percentages. However, how big is the typical budget for butter in a Canadian household in dollars?
        michael1999 6y ago
        Fresh milk is the real kicker. A growing youth can easily drink $120 a month which is unaffordable for many.
- nicbou 6y ago
  This article is an excellent answer to your question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26434032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26434032
- michael1999 6y ago
  Winter makes Canada more expensive. Some people are unwilling to wipe out domestic production. And once the wall is up, the dairy cartel is free to optimize the price. Ugly stuff.

Canada had may still have 270% tariffs on imported dairy products which they use to justify protecting their farmers. However what the article does bring up, just what is acceptable in cattle feed?

908B64B197 6y ago

> 270% tariffs Sad to see consumers paying the price for what is effectively a cartel. Why not simply compete?

lostlogin 6y ago
The funny but for me is that NZ dairy has been locked out of certain markets due to this sort of thing. Despite NZ being at the end of the earth, the miles travelled exporting our dairy to Europe are often less than those travelled by dairy produced and sold in Europe. However Fonterra a a terribly company and so NZ milk should probably be avoided for other reasons. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27814216_Food_Miles_-_Comparative_EnergyEmissions_Performance_of_New_Zealand_Agriculture_Industry https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27814216_Food_Miles...
joelkesler 6y ago
> Trump may not like it, but those tariffs are part of a politically sensitive, decades-old policy to protect Canada's dairy farmers. The system is called "supply management" and it sets production quotas for the country's dairy, poultry products and eggs. > Murray Sherk, the owner of the family-run Pinehill Dairy in Plattsville, Ontario, says supply management helps keep prices stable, gives farmers a steady income and has succeeded in avoiding a milk surplus in Canada. > "The stability of our system is of great benefit to not only farmers, but also all kinds of other businesses," he says — like restaurants and trucking. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/10/627271410/why-president-trump-hates-canadian-dairy-and-canada-insists-on-protecting-it https://www.npr.org/2018/07/10/627271410/why-president-trump... > With all we've learned during the pandemic about supply chains, why would anyone willingly out-source Canada’s supply of our most basic food items? https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-canada-should-keep-supply-management-off-the-table-in-future-trade-talks/ https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-canada-should-keep-suppl... I can’t see the tariffs going away. Canada also has banned the use of artificial growth hormones in dairy cows, and America has not. I don’t think many Canadians are ok with the amount of hormones in American dairy products.
- rekabis 6y ago
  As a Canadian, I have zero problems with this setup. I have no problem paying a little more to ensure stable incomes for small farmers. I would rather see a dozen small farms with happy cows in the field, where the farmer personally knows each cow by name, than a single mega-farm with thousands of them all jammed into a single barn in a faceless hellscape of corporate profit maximization.
  - michael1999 6y ago
    I’m not sure I disagree with you, but triple the price isn’t just a little more.
    - maltalex 6y ago
      Granted, it’s a big markup in terms of percentages. However, how big is the typical budget for butter in a Canadian household in dollars?
      - michael1999 6y ago
        Fresh milk is the real kicker. A growing youth can easily drink $120 a month which is unaffordable for many.
nicbou 6y ago
This article is an excellent answer to your question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26434032 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26434032
michael1999 6y ago
Winter makes Canada more expensive. Some people are unwilling to wipe out domestic production. And once the wall is up, the dairy cartel is free to optimize the price. Ugly stuff.