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Decentralized services like Matrix - anyone? No, let's continue relying on a single centralized service for the whole world.

sneak 6y ago
This isn't the panacea you think it is. For example, on iOS all server notifications for an app must be proxied via Apple and have to come from the app developer's push certificate. This means that even with Element (the matrix client) all of your notifications when your phone is locked are going from your server to the centralized dev push system run by the Element devs, then to another centralized system run by Apple. Either could have an outage, although I think APNS (the apple side) has close to 100% uptime since launch, which is quite a feat.
- saghm 6y ago
  This comes from from someone who enjoys the convenience of centralized services, but that honestly sounds to me like an argument for decentralization of mobile notifications too, not a refutation of the idea of decentralized messaging.
  - sneak 6y ago
    "We" can't decentralize notifications on iOS, only Apple can. It's not in their interest to do so (battery life, platform brand control via censorship), so it's probably a moot point. It's better to choose a fight you can win.
    - toyg 6y ago
      This comes from someone typing this on an iPhone, but that sounds like an argument to drop this goddamn walled garden/prison. I’m literally sick of it.
      - sneak 6y ago
        You also can't use an iPhone without it constantly sending usage information to a half dozen different teams/departments at Apple, even if you've opted out of analytics, so there's that, too. I think I've bought my last iPhone, as well, after having had all of them.
- kitkat_new 6y ago
  Additionally to the other user, I would like to add that 1) Notifications being down is a smaller problem than the service not working at all. 2) there are indeed alternative push systems that allow plugging different push systems (see Unified Push - though not yet supported by Element)
  - anoa_ 6y ago
    UnifiedPush is supported by FluffyChat [1], another Matrix client, on Android. [1] https://fluffychat.im/ https://fluffychat.im/
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  Then we need to decentralize notifications (or better, to do away with them). We actually decentralized them decades ago, it's called email
  - kitkat_new 6y ago
    https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#unifiedpush-what-is-it-what-happened-this-week-and-why-should-you-care https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#unified...

sneak 6y ago

This isn't the panacea you think it is. For example, on iOS all server notifications for an app must be proxied via Apple and have to come from the app developer's push certificate. This means that even with Element (the matrix client) all of your notifications when your phone is locked are going from your server to the centralized dev push system run by the Element devs, then to another centralized system run by Apple. Either could have an outage, although I think APNS (the apple side) has close to 100% uptime since launch, which is quite a feat.

saghm 6y ago
This comes from from someone who enjoys the convenience of centralized services, but that honestly sounds to me like an argument for decentralization of mobile notifications too, not a refutation of the idea of decentralized messaging.
- sneak 6y ago
  "We" can't decentralize notifications on iOS, only Apple can. It's not in their interest to do so (battery life, platform brand control via censorship), so it's probably a moot point. It's better to choose a fight you can win.
  - toyg 6y ago
    This comes from someone typing this on an iPhone, but that sounds like an argument to drop this goddamn walled garden/prison. I’m literally sick of it.
    - sneak 6y ago
      You also can't use an iPhone without it constantly sending usage information to a half dozen different teams/departments at Apple, even if you've opted out of analytics, so there's that, too. I think I've bought my last iPhone, as well, after having had all of them.
kitkat_new 6y ago
Additionally to the other user, I would like to add that 1) Notifications being down is a smaller problem than the service not working at all. 2) there are indeed alternative push systems that allow plugging different push systems (see Unified Push - though not yet supported by Element)
- anoa_ 6y ago
  UnifiedPush is supported by FluffyChat [1], another Matrix client, on Android. [1] https://fluffychat.im/ https://fluffychat.im/
cblconfederate 6y ago
Then we need to decentralize notifications (or better, to do away with them). We actually decentralized them decades ago, it's called email
- kitkat_new 6y ago
  https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#unifiedpush-what-is-it-what-happened-this-week-and-why-should-you-care https://matrix.org/blog/category/this-week-in-matrix#unified...