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I consider the demoscene style, tracker produced music a distinct genre from "chiptune". To me chiptune is mostly about recreating the sound and feel of vintage

I consider the demoscene style, tracker produced music a distinct genre from "chiptune". To me chiptune is mostly about recreating the sound and feel of vintage console games from the 80's and early 90's. Producers put a lot of work into either emulating the sound chips of those systems or outright using them through various hardware mods. There also seems to be an emphasis on the style of music found in Japanese games of the era. The keygen/demoscene style songs are produced using MIDI tracker software and leverage the sound capabilities of PC sound cards of the era which have a distinct sound to consoles like the NES. They are tend to have a very different structure, often closer to whatever particular sub genre of electronic dance music happened to be popular that year. Ersatz final fantasy themes played with an emulated SNES sound different than a House track powered by Soundblaster.

ranma42 6y ago
SNES is actually interesting in this context: The limited sample ram gives it some closeness to chiptunes, but otherwise the Sony chip can actually be considered closer to wavetable synthesizer cards. This is very different to NES/Gameboy chiptunes that are more synths with maybe one sampled channel.
alisonatwork 6y ago
I don't think this is true at all. Tracker software in the 90s largely did not have MIDI support, it was an entirely different category of software. Although it is true that trackers in the PC era grew out of the Amiga (MOD) scene where sample playback was standard, there were also trackers for the 8-bit home computers which were used to create actual chiptunes on SID or the AY-3-8910 and its derivatives. In the context of demoscene, chiptune-influenced compositions were still extremely popular, because including full-length instrument samples cost far too much space to distribute inside an intro or cracktro. Songs were made up of tiny bursts of white noise and tightly looped single-cycle waveforms, and the bulk of tracker "effects" (pitch bends, arpeggios etc) came directly from the techniques used to coax more tonal variety from sound chips of the 8-bit era. Tracker music used for intros might not literally be "chiptunes", but they definitely took a lot more influence from chip music than from popular music. For example, this is the track that was bundled with Scream Tracker 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3hpnmANSMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3hpnmANSMw (64-Mania by Edge)
- thereddaikon 6y ago
  I'm talking explicitly about the PC era. The 8bit machines were far more limited and that music was chiptune in every meaningful way. But when you get to PC's you didn't have one set in stone hardware FM synth as a standard. Your hardware varied and it was absolutely controlled via MIDI even if you lacked the hardware to interface with external MIDI devices. Depending on the hardware you had at the time your soundcard gave you either FM Synthesis such as with the classic SoundBlasters, Adlib etc. A fixed sample library in the case of devices like the Sound Canvas. Or with the later more advanced soundcards you had wavetable synthesis starting with the AWE32 which opened you up to soundfonts. If you had a Sound Canvas or similar "sound module" as they were called, there were many, you absolutely did have external MIDI capabilities because it was a requirement for the device to work. You had to have a MIDI interface card or box. I had a 4 port Roland card in the mid 90's. I don't remember the model but they stopped making drivers after Win98 for it.
  - alisonatwork 6y ago
    I think you are confusing trackers with the more general capabilities that appeared in PC sound cards of the 90s. Although there were sound cards that supported connecting external MIDI instruments, and there were sound cards that implemented the so-called General MIDI set of instrument sounds on the card itself, tracker software did not use any of this functionality. Trackers loaded samples into memory and mixed the audio in software. This is how Scream Tracker (for example) could output directly to the PC speaker and did not require any particular sound card. Because everything was mixed in software, the complexity of a composition was limited by the CPU and memory of the computer itself. It didn't matter what sound card you had. On under-powered PCs, loading very large samples or going above 4 or 8 channels of polyphony was not a viable option. This meant that tracker musicians operated under similar restrictions to the chip musicians of the 8-bit era. In fact, quite a few tracker musicians got their start in the 8-bit era, which is why a lot of demoscene music sounds similar to it. (Edit to add: in case it's not clear, later trackers did use hardware mixing and effects if they were available, but I'm trying to explain more about the culture of the scene and how it influenced the type of music that came out of it.)
antiterra 6y ago
The term comes from dedicated synth chips such as the C-64’s SID chip and was used for subsequent music in that style. Generally this was simple waveforms, filters and fast arpeggiation to approximate chords. An example from The Last Ninja on C64: https://youtu.be/1OjPpVrc3gM https://youtu.be/1OjPpVrc3gM Nearly all scene trackers were basically sample sequencers, not MIDI (excluding rare exceptions such as OctaMED which could send midi events as well.) Chiptune music in the tracker era often meant using a small synth style waveform as the sample so that the music sounded similar to earlier computers. Cracktros with small footprints often did this, example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBv1VHy0Igk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBv1VHy0Igk Early demoscene music was often influenced by Italo Disco and it’s offshoots, which were relatively obscure in the states thanks to the homophobic Disco Sucks movement. ‘Chiptune’ in the early console sense gained popularity a bit later, around the time of the VGmix/OCRemix communities. (As well as the LSDJ NullSleep phase where people danced to Gameboy producers.)

ranma42 6y ago

SNES is actually interesting in this context: The limited sample ram gives it some closeness to chiptunes, but otherwise the Sony chip can actually be considered closer to wavetable synthesizer cards. This is very different to NES/Gameboy chiptunes that are more synths with maybe one sampled channel.

alisonatwork 6y ago

I don't think this is true at all. Tracker software in the 90s largely did not have MIDI support, it was an entirely different category of software. Although it is true that trackers in the PC era grew out of the Amiga (MOD) scene where sample playback was standard, there were also trackers for the 8-bit home computers which were used to create actual chiptunes on SID or the AY-3-8910 and its derivatives. In the context of demoscene, chiptune-influenced compositions were still extremely popular, because including full-length instrument samples cost far too much space to distribute inside an intro or cracktro. Songs were made up of tiny bursts of white noise and tightly looped single-cycle waveforms, and the bulk of tracker "effects" (pitch bends, arpeggios etc) came directly from the techniques used to coax more tonal variety from sound chips of the 8-bit era. Tracker music used for intros might not literally be "chiptunes", but they definitely took a lot more influence from chip music than from popular music. For example, this is the track that was bundled with Scream Tracker 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3hpnmANSMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3hpnmANSMw (64-Mania by Edge)

thereddaikon 6y ago
I'm talking explicitly about the PC era. The 8bit machines were far more limited and that music was chiptune in every meaningful way. But when you get to PC's you didn't have one set in stone hardware FM synth as a standard. Your hardware varied and it was absolutely controlled via MIDI even if you lacked the hardware to interface with external MIDI devices. Depending on the hardware you had at the time your soundcard gave you either FM Synthesis such as with the classic SoundBlasters, Adlib etc. A fixed sample library in the case of devices like the Sound Canvas. Or with the later more advanced soundcards you had wavetable synthesis starting with the AWE32 which opened you up to soundfonts. If you had a Sound Canvas or similar "sound module" as they were called, there were many, you absolutely did have external MIDI capabilities because it was a requirement for the device to work. You had to have a MIDI interface card or box. I had a 4 port Roland card in the mid 90's. I don't remember the model but they stopped making drivers after Win98 for it.
- alisonatwork 6y ago
  I think you are confusing trackers with the more general capabilities that appeared in PC sound cards of the 90s. Although there were sound cards that supported connecting external MIDI instruments, and there were sound cards that implemented the so-called General MIDI set of instrument sounds on the card itself, tracker software did not use any of this functionality. Trackers loaded samples into memory and mixed the audio in software. This is how Scream Tracker (for example) could output directly to the PC speaker and did not require any particular sound card. Because everything was mixed in software, the complexity of a composition was limited by the CPU and memory of the computer itself. It didn't matter what sound card you had. On under-powered PCs, loading very large samples or going above 4 or 8 channels of polyphony was not a viable option. This meant that tracker musicians operated under similar restrictions to the chip musicians of the 8-bit era. In fact, quite a few tracker musicians got their start in the 8-bit era, which is why a lot of demoscene music sounds similar to it. (Edit to add: in case it's not clear, later trackers did use hardware mixing and effects if they were available, but I'm trying to explain more about the culture of the scene and how it influenced the type of music that came out of it.)

antiterra 6y ago

The term comes from dedicated synth chips such as the C-64’s SID chip and was used for subsequent music in that style. Generally this was simple waveforms, filters and fast arpeggiation to approximate chords. An example from The Last Ninja on C64: https://youtu.be/1OjPpVrc3gM https://youtu.be/1OjPpVrc3gM Nearly all scene trackers were basically sample sequencers, not MIDI (excluding rare exceptions such as OctaMED which could send midi events as well.) Chiptune music in the tracker era often meant using a small synth style waveform as the sample so that the music sounded similar to earlier computers. Cracktros with small footprints often did this, example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBv1VHy0Igk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBv1VHy0Igk Early demoscene music was often influenced by Italo Disco and it’s offshoots, which were relatively obscure in the states thanks to the homophobic Disco Sucks movement. ‘Chiptune’ in the early console sense gained popularity a bit later, around the time of the VGmix/OCRemix communities. (As well as the LSDJ NullSleep phase where people danced to Gameboy producers.)