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I've noticed this too. The recommendations I'm now getting from my audible account are full of newly-published titles promoting wokism and other morally and int

by tharne 6y ago

I've noticed this too. The recommendations I'm now getting from my audible account are full of newly-published titles promoting wokism and other morally and intellectually bankrupt junk rather than the classic titles I typically go for.

octopoc 6y ago
Have you tried Downpour? Their customer service is excellent. Their selection is smaller, but if you're mostly interested in classics the two catalogs are probably more comparable.
Pxtl 6y ago
> wokism and other morally and intellectually bankrupt junk duuuuude.
undefined1 6y ago
it's like if Spotify suddenly started recommending Christian Rock.
- hn8788 6y ago
  Spotify is doing stuff like that. I kept getting a bunch of podcast recommendations for things like "stop asian hate" and "navigating the workplace as a person of color". Over the summer I was getting recommendations for albums and songs called "Black Lives Matter" by no name artists. I ended up cancelling my subscription and switching to amazon music because the amount of space used to push woke political podcasts and music meant that new releases from artists I follow wasn't showing up.
  - andrewzah 6y ago
    Is it that, or are people suddenly becoming aware of these specific podcasts/groups due to current events? Which is more likely: spotify pushing specific agendas, or spotify employing a recommendation engine that recommends things that see a surge in listening activity? Regarding your example of "stop asian hate"- the asian instagram community has been talking about it a lot in wake of current events. It is entirely unsurprising that people would be checking it out after being previously unaware.
    - klmadfejno 6y ago
      It is spotify pushing an agenda. These aren't algorithmic pseudo randomness, because they're clearly labeled in manually described groups. Much of the black content was for black history month, and labeled as such, which isn't too different from google putting up a black history search page, imo. I would rate it as mildly annoying. I'm 100% for black lives matter, but I don't have much of an interest in mainstream black music channels that they were trying to promote.
happytoexplain 6y ago
Why is anything classifiable as "wokism" automatically morally and intellectually bankrupt junk? That sounds an awful lot like simply dismissing a broad category of opinions that may contain a reasonably moral/intellectual subset, much like the thing that wokism is being accused of right now.
- shockeychap 6y ago
  Fair observation. But consider that proponents of "wokism" have busily engaged in censorship of thought and speech - showing no interest in a fair and open debate - while simultaneously demanding unquestioning fealty to its principles. For me, that speaks to an intrinsic and inherent moral and intellectual bankruptcy.
  - threatofrain 6y ago
    There is a more vicious form of cancellation going on. - For example, only in 2003 was gay sex legal throughout the US. Is that a form of cancelling? - It’s still legal to fire or not hire gay people. Is that a form of cancelling? - US conservatives also fight for the right of any public official to follow the calling of Jesus by refusing to sign marriage licenses. Or the constitutional right to refuse business. - Does one not remember the Bush Jr presidential race where a US constitution ban on gay marriage was the get out to vote issue for Christian evangelicals? - We have doctors who cannot follow the prescriptions of their professional societies, such as the American Pediatric Society, because they are banned by law from advising youths on transgender treatment. - There is a race around the country to make it harder for those over 65 to vote, or to reduce voting locations. What is Cancellation? At the core of cancellation is the freedom of association. But freedom of association doesn’t make it so TX can prosecute gay men for having sex in a bedroom. Freedom of association means people either like you or don’t like you, and they will either associate with you or they won’t. Any discussion of harmony must account for a history of cruelty.
  - chillacy 6y ago
    Scott Alexander has an interesting post called Conflict vs Mistake which makes the point that fair and open debate might actually be a consequence of certain world views but not others.
npteljes 6y ago
A service, promoting hot selling products? Outrageous.

by tharne 6y ago

octopoc 6y ago

Have you tried Downpour? Their customer service is excellent. Their selection is smaller, but if you're mostly interested in classics the two catalogs are probably more comparable.

Pxtl 6y ago

> wokism and other morally and intellectually bankrupt junk duuuuude.

undefined1 6y ago

it's like if Spotify suddenly started recommending Christian Rock.

hn8788 6y ago
Spotify is doing stuff like that. I kept getting a bunch of podcast recommendations for things like "stop asian hate" and "navigating the workplace as a person of color". Over the summer I was getting recommendations for albums and songs called "Black Lives Matter" by no name artists. I ended up cancelling my subscription and switching to amazon music because the amount of space used to push woke political podcasts and music meant that new releases from artists I follow wasn't showing up.
- andrewzah 6y ago
  Is it that, or are people suddenly becoming aware of these specific podcasts/groups due to current events? Which is more likely: spotify pushing specific agendas, or spotify employing a recommendation engine that recommends things that see a surge in listening activity? Regarding your example of "stop asian hate"- the asian instagram community has been talking about it a lot in wake of current events. It is entirely unsurprising that people would be checking it out after being previously unaware.
  - klmadfejno 6y ago
    It is spotify pushing an agenda. These aren't algorithmic pseudo randomness, because they're clearly labeled in manually described groups. Much of the black content was for black history month, and labeled as such, which isn't too different from google putting up a black history search page, imo. I would rate it as mildly annoying. I'm 100% for black lives matter, but I don't have much of an interest in mainstream black music channels that they were trying to promote.

happytoexplain 6y ago

Why is anything classifiable as "wokism" automatically morally and intellectually bankrupt junk? That sounds an awful lot like simply dismissing a broad category of opinions that may contain a reasonably moral/intellectual subset, much like the thing that wokism is being accused of right now.

shockeychap 6y ago
Fair observation. But consider that proponents of "wokism" have busily engaged in censorship of thought and speech - showing no interest in a fair and open debate - while simultaneously demanding unquestioning fealty to its principles. For me, that speaks to an intrinsic and inherent moral and intellectual bankruptcy.
- threatofrain 6y ago
  There is a more vicious form of cancellation going on. - For example, only in 2003 was gay sex legal throughout the US. Is that a form of cancelling? - It’s still legal to fire or not hire gay people. Is that a form of cancelling? - US conservatives also fight for the right of any public official to follow the calling of Jesus by refusing to sign marriage licenses. Or the constitutional right to refuse business. - Does one not remember the Bush Jr presidential race where a US constitution ban on gay marriage was the get out to vote issue for Christian evangelicals? - We have doctors who cannot follow the prescriptions of their professional societies, such as the American Pediatric Society, because they are banned by law from advising youths on transgender treatment. - There is a race around the country to make it harder for those over 65 to vote, or to reduce voting locations. What is Cancellation? At the core of cancellation is the freedom of association. But freedom of association doesn’t make it so TX can prosecute gay men for having sex in a bedroom. Freedom of association means people either like you or don’t like you, and they will either associate with you or they won’t. Any discussion of harmony must account for a history of cruelty.
- chillacy 6y ago
  Scott Alexander has an interesting post called Conflict vs Mistake which makes the point that fair and open debate might actually be a consequence of certain world views but not others.

npteljes 6y ago

A service, promoting hot selling products? Outrageous.