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> Is it unethical for a lion to kill a baby zebra that couldn't get away? Under an atheistic materialistic world view, we can kill off the entire population of

> Is it unethical for a lion to kill a baby zebra that couldn't get away? Under an atheistic materialistic world view, we can kill off the entire population of the earth and it's all the same. However, we're not animals. Actually, even animals don't do that. > People need to step outside this fantasy world that everyone can be winners/successful. That's not what we're saying. Islam never says that everyone is going to be equally financially successful. As a matter of fact, people with wealth are going to be accountable for how they gained their wealth, and where they spent it, it's a test. That's why the poor enter Heaven before the wealthy, because they have less to be accountable for. Islam places barriers on exceedingly immoral and parasitic and destructive practices, like lending money with interest, fornication, drinking, etc., and everything else within those bounds is a fair game. That's why we witnessed the immense and unprecedented growth of a religion and population, reaching the Islamic Golden Age when the rules of Islam were generally being applied correctly (at least much better than today). > We can have compassion for those that fail If that's the argument, then Islam has even more compassion. Lend the needy money *without* interest, and give them charity (Zakat and Sadaqah), and more. We already know that there was a time in Iraq where there were no people left to take charity as people gave their Zakat and Sadaqah. > Should we base our policy of slavery on Muhammad's (ﷺ) opinion about having slaves as long as they aren't Muslim I think you have a misconception. Having or not having slaves under Islam has nothing to do with the religion of the slave. > told us we shouldn't eat shellfish or pork for arbitrary reasons is no basis in rational policy making We don't follow a religion because it tells us not to eat pork or shellfish. We don't determine the truth of a religion due to those same factors. It's the other way around, once it is determined that the religion is True, then we follow its rulings and teachings. > Like c'mon...these theologies do not contain the end all be all to the way life works. Depends on which theologies you're talking about. It's a fallacy to group all religions under one umbrella then toss them out altogether as equally false. Islam has proven to be a system that has brought up a culture out of nothing, and went on to give us the Islamic Golden Age, among many other beautiful things.

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
I was a hardcore Catholic for a long time in my life and I know the reason why you are saying and believing in what you believe. However, it's all based off of dogma that isn't flexible and understanding that all humans life a different life, experience different things, and engage life in a different way. >> It's the other way around, once it is determined that the religion is True, then we follow its rulings and teachings. The religion has not in any way shape, form, or scientifically been proven true so I don't know how you can throw this out there. In a rational argument way, neither scenario can be argued, so asserting your theology is the "True" path is outlandish to say the least. >>Islam has proven to be a system that has brought up a culture out of nothing, and went on to give us the Islamic Golden Age, among many other beautiful things. That golden age was during like the 10th century if I recall. Meanwhile the western world has trounced the islamic world in technology, artistry, manufacturing, and economics. All because Islamic culture is rooted in staunch conservative thought.
- gher-shyu3i 6y ago
  > However, it's all based off of dogma that isn't flexible and understanding that all humans life a different life, experience different things, and engage life in a different way. Maybe in Christianity it is, but this isn't the case in Islam. > The religion has not in any way shape, form, or scientifically been proven true so I don't know how you can throw this out there. It has been, in fact, proven. One of the more "interesting" (for lack of a better word) proofs that I've come across was an Oxford educated historian, who after studying the Quran, admitted that it contained too many detailed and nuanced information about the Christian and Jewish faiths, such that no person would have been able to acquire said knowledge from casual interactions with Jews and Christians - especially since there wasn't really any Christian presence worth noting in the Arabian peninsula. So what was his conclusion? That Makkah and Madinah and the Muslims as told in the Islamic history books were not in Hijaz (present day Saudi Arabia), but farther up north on the outskirts of Jerusalem! Of course, such nonsense conclusion is trivially disproven by many means. There are many detailed prophecies that were foretold and took place exactly as told. We're not talking Nostradamus style vague prophecies here, but detailed events, such as the conquering of Constantinople, the length of the Caliphate after the passing of Muhammad ﷺ (30 years), after which it turned into kingdoms. The foretelling of Muhammad ﷺ to several of his companions (including Uthman, Ali, Ammar bin Yassir) that they will be martyred, and not die a normal death. Informing Khosrow II's messenger that Khosrow had died before the news arrived, the prophecy about Yemen, Egypt, and the Levant that they will be under Muslim rule. Informing Suraqah bin Malik that he will wear the bangles of Khosrow at a time when the former was non-Muslim and was chasing after Muhammad ﷺ to get a bounty[1]. The fact that AbuHurairah was seeking refuge in God that he would not live to see the year 60 Hijri. He was informed by Muhammad ﷺ what would happen, that's the year that Yazid became the leader, and God answered Abu Huraira's prayer and he died in the year 59 Hijri; and many more to list here. Just because Christianity has failed to provide such proofs, does not automatically mean that another religion has as well. This is a fallacy. The Golden age of Islam was from the 8th to the 14th centuries. > Meanwhile the western world has trounced the islamic world in technology, artistry, manufacturing, and economics I invite you to read world history especially post WWI and WWII to see how we're still living the effects of Western occupation. It's no excuse of course, but we cannot leave out such very important factors. Sykes-Picot alone has effects lasting to the present day, not to mention the occupation of Palestine by the British and giving it to the Zionists. > All because Islamic culture is rooted in staunch conservative thought. It's because of being rooted in incredibly strong bases that we can claim that Islam has been preserved. We can say with confidence that no other religion's texts or teachings have been preserved. The reason Muslim majority countries today are suffering is because they're not sticking to Islamic teachings. We know this for a fact, that when Muslims did follow the religion properly, we prospered and were a role model for the world to see. Until we go back, we're staying the way we are today. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suraqa_bin_Malik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suraqa_bin_Malik

MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago

I was a hardcore Catholic for a long time in my life and I know the reason why you are saying and believing in what you believe. However, it's all based off of dogma that isn't flexible and understanding that all humans life a different life, experience different things, and engage life in a different way. >> It's the other way around, once it is determined that the religion is True, then we follow its rulings and teachings. The religion has not in any way shape, form, or scientifically been proven true so I don't know how you can throw this out there. In a rational argument way, neither scenario can be argued, so asserting your theology is the "True" path is outlandish to say the least. >>Islam has proven to be a system that has brought up a culture out of nothing, and went on to give us the Islamic Golden Age, among many other beautiful things. That golden age was during like the 10th century if I recall. Meanwhile the western world has trounced the islamic world in technology, artistry, manufacturing, and economics. All because Islamic culture is rooted in staunch conservative thought.

gher-shyu3i 6y ago
> However, it's all based off of dogma that isn't flexible and understanding that all humans life a different life, experience different things, and engage life in a different way. Maybe in Christianity it is, but this isn't the case in Islam. > The religion has not in any way shape, form, or scientifically been proven true so I don't know how you can throw this out there. It has been, in fact, proven. One of the more "interesting" (for lack of a better word) proofs that I've come across was an Oxford educated historian, who after studying the Quran, admitted that it contained too many detailed and nuanced information about the Christian and Jewish faiths, such that no person would have been able to acquire said knowledge from casual interactions with Jews and Christians - especially since there wasn't really any Christian presence worth noting in the Arabian peninsula. So what was his conclusion? That Makkah and Madinah and the Muslims as told in the Islamic history books were not in Hijaz (present day Saudi Arabia), but farther up north on the outskirts of Jerusalem! Of course, such nonsense conclusion is trivially disproven by many means. There are many detailed prophecies that were foretold and took place exactly as told. We're not talking Nostradamus style vague prophecies here, but detailed events, such as the conquering of Constantinople, the length of the Caliphate after the passing of Muhammad ﷺ (30 years), after which it turned into kingdoms. The foretelling of Muhammad ﷺ to several of his companions (including Uthman, Ali, Ammar bin Yassir) that they will be martyred, and not die a normal death. Informing Khosrow II's messenger that Khosrow had died before the news arrived, the prophecy about Yemen, Egypt, and the Levant that they will be under Muslim rule. Informing Suraqah bin Malik that he will wear the bangles of Khosrow at a time when the former was non-Muslim and was chasing after Muhammad ﷺ to get a bounty[1]. The fact that AbuHurairah was seeking refuge in God that he would not live to see the year 60 Hijri. He was informed by Muhammad ﷺ what would happen, that's the year that Yazid became the leader, and God answered Abu Huraira's prayer and he died in the year 59 Hijri; and many more to list here. Just because Christianity has failed to provide such proofs, does not automatically mean that another religion has as well. This is a fallacy. The Golden age of Islam was from the 8th to the 14th centuries. > Meanwhile the western world has trounced the islamic world in technology, artistry, manufacturing, and economics I invite you to read world history especially post WWI and WWII to see how we're still living the effects of Western occupation. It's no excuse of course, but we cannot leave out such very important factors. Sykes-Picot alone has effects lasting to the present day, not to mention the occupation of Palestine by the British and giving it to the Zionists. > All because Islamic culture is rooted in staunch conservative thought. It's because of being rooted in incredibly strong bases that we can claim that Islam has been preserved. We can say with confidence that no other religion's texts or teachings have been preserved. The reason Muslim majority countries today are suffering is because they're not sticking to Islamic teachings. We know this for a fact, that when Muslims did follow the religion properly, we prospered and were a role model for the world to see. Until we go back, we're staying the way we are today. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suraqa_bin_Malik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suraqa_bin_Malik