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Like other middle-aged men with young daughters, I have seen this movie probably 50 times now. It’s a great movie with a touching story and a clever plot, but t

Like other middle-aged men with young daughters, I have seen this movie probably 50 times now. It’s a great movie with a touching story and a clever plot, but the analysis is wrong and convoluted. The trolls were a plot device, plain and simple. Assigning further meaning to their role is pure speculation.

watwut 6y ago
Plus, I think that their wrong advice simply represented "common sense" wrong advice all of us get from various people in the course of our lives. It is much more simple and plausible explanation, "they were wrong" then trying to make ma big manipulation.
foxhop 6y ago
I just read the article to my 4 year ar old daughter and asked her, so what do you think, this article says the trolls are bad. "Do you think they were bad or good?" "well in the movie they were good, they only helped people and played" I think the trolls were bad and I felt hans significant character shift is better explained by troll magic than bad story telling. Fun read though!
- cpuguy83 6y ago
  I don't know... there are parts where it seems like Olaf was edited in after the fact... so don't discount bad storytelling :)
  - cogman10 6y ago
    Olaf was added because they got Josh Gad and needed a funny man role. Gad would have just finished up with BoM when they started doing voice recordings for frozen. Knowing nothing about the background, I'd bet gad was a pretty late addition to the cast. Knowing Disney, they are trying to make Gad the new Robin Williams. If you look for the advertising around Frozen there is a TON of focus on Olaf even though his role is really minor in the first movie. Same thing happened with Aladdin and the Genie.
- watwut 6y ago
  I dont think there was significant character shift in Hans. He was charismatic but sleazy kind of person whole time. He was having the "this is dude is love bombing you but dont trust him" vibes all over him.
gagege 6y ago
The major flaw in this article's analysis is that in the opening scene with the trolls, the Papa troll tells Elsa to use her powers wisely and not give into fear, etc. It's Elsa own father who instills the fear. I thought this article's theory might help explain the Hans weirdness, but now I'm just more convinced the plot is a mess.
bentcorner 6y ago
I've had a long running pet theory that while the trolls aren't the villains per se, they do want to have Kristoff hooked up because he's part of their family. This part of the song is particularly telling: /// So she's a bit of a fixer-upper, that's a minor thing Her quote 'engagement' is a flex arrangement, and by the way I don't see no ring! So she's a bit of a fixer-upper, Her brain's a bit betwixt Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed /// With that said it doesn't quite jive with Hans' betrayal (you could argue the Trolls made him do it but there's no support for that claim). But I think there was a potential to find out that the Trolls were manipulating things behind the scenes to get Kristoff and Anna together.

watwut 6y ago

Plus, I think that their wrong advice simply represented "common sense" wrong advice all of us get from various people in the course of our lives. It is much more simple and plausible explanation, "they were wrong" then trying to make ma big manipulation.

foxhop 6y ago

I just read the article to my 4 year ar old daughter and asked her, so what do you think, this article says the trolls are bad. "Do you think they were bad or good?" "well in the movie they were good, they only helped people and played" I think the trolls were bad and I felt hans significant character shift is better explained by troll magic than bad story telling. Fun read though!

cpuguy83 6y ago
I don't know... there are parts where it seems like Olaf was edited in after the fact... so don't discount bad storytelling :)
- cogman10 6y ago
  Olaf was added because they got Josh Gad and needed a funny man role. Gad would have just finished up with BoM when they started doing voice recordings for frozen. Knowing nothing about the background, I'd bet gad was a pretty late addition to the cast. Knowing Disney, they are trying to make Gad the new Robin Williams. If you look for the advertising around Frozen there is a TON of focus on Olaf even though his role is really minor in the first movie. Same thing happened with Aladdin and the Genie.
watwut 6y ago
I dont think there was significant character shift in Hans. He was charismatic but sleazy kind of person whole time. He was having the "this is dude is love bombing you but dont trust him" vibes all over him.

gagege 6y ago

The major flaw in this article's analysis is that in the opening scene with the trolls, the Papa troll tells Elsa to use her powers wisely and not give into fear, etc. It's Elsa own father who instills the fear. I thought this article's theory might help explain the Hans weirdness, but now I'm just more convinced the plot is a mess.

bentcorner 6y ago

I've had a long running pet theory that while the trolls aren't the villains per se, they do want to have Kristoff hooked up because he's part of their family. This part of the song is particularly telling: /// So she's a bit of a fixer-upper, that's a minor thing Her quote 'engagement' is a flex arrangement, and by the way I don't see no ring! So she's a bit of a fixer-upper, Her brain's a bit betwixt Get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed /// With that said it doesn't quite jive with Hans' betrayal (you could argue the Trolls made him do it but there's no support for that claim). But I think there was a potential to find out that the Trolls were manipulating things behind the scenes to get Kristoff and Anna together.