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DMV?

by andybak 6y ago

DMV?

softwaredoug 6y ago
DC - Maryland - Virginia. Basically Northern Virginia to Baltimore as one larger metro area.
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ceilingcorner 6y ago
D.C. Maryland Virginia
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yardie 6y ago
DC, Maryland, Virginia. The 3 share common borders and most of the DC politicians and workers actually live in the 2 states. It's only fairly recent that having a residence in DC became fashionable.
cool_dude85 6y ago
DC, Maryland, Virginia. Really as far as I know it just means like DC and its various exurbs. Not sure if even Baltimore is considered in the DMV.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  Baltimore is a very distinct city with a distinct identity, although the border between DC suburbs and Baltimore suburbs is kind of vague; I wouldn't consider Baltimore part of the DC area. My general cut of it would be Frederick - Leesburg - (follow US 15 south) - Gainsville - Quantico - La Plata - Waldorf - Bowie - Laurel - back to Frederick, although I'm not high confidence of the cuts on the MD side of the line.
  - mncharity 6y ago
    It does look like that maybe cuts MD tighter than VA: https://app.traveltime.com/search/0-lng=-77.03656&0-tt=45&0-mode=driving&0-time=a1616157050731&0-title=Washington%2C%20Washington%2C%20D.C.%2C%20United%20States%20of%20America&0-lat=38.89499 https://app.traveltime.com/search/0-lng=-77.03656&0-tt=45&0-...
    - jfengel 6y ago
      Virginia wanted to grow its exurbs, and Maryland didn't. Virginia created a lot of large houses on former farmland, where Maryland preserved more of it. Maryland also did a better job of spreading out its employers. A lot of those Virginia exurbs still commute into DC, or at least Northern Virginia, making traffic a nightmare, at least during rush hour. Another thing that slightly confuses that map: Virginia has much better arteries into DC. You get into DC from the south on I-395 and I-66, and they take you all the way downtown. Maryland has only surface streets. (It was supposed to have I-95 connecting straight through the city to join up with I-395, and I-595 where New York Avenue is, but that would have destroyed a lot of neighborhoods in exactly the way they were destroyed in building 66 and 395.) That means that there's a fair bit of Virginia that is technically 45 minutes away from the center of the city, but not during rush hour. The 45 minute line in Maryland is pretty close in, but the 1 hour line turns out to be quite broad, because you can reach it on Maryland's interstates that flow pretty freely (parts of it, even during rush hour). Of course you really should be taking public transport, except during a pandemic. The driving and parking are both horrible.
    - jcranmer 6y ago
      As my sibling comment points out, VA sprawled a lot further than MD did. The US-15/Quantico line in the VA is really quite close to the boundary between suburban sprawl and true rural. Cross the Potomac, and you cross from sprawl on the VA side to rural lands on the MD side: the western and northern reaches of Montgomery County are definitely rural, similarly for the southern reaches of Prince George's County. An additional factor to consider in the DC area is that the DC central business district is relatively weak compared to other major jobs centers: Arlington, VA (just across the river) has hefty job concentration, as does the Dulles-Tysons corridor; on the MD side, there's an additional jobs concentration on Rockville-Bethesda. The final factor is of course the Baltimore-Washington divide. As you head northwest in MD, more people start commuting to Baltimore instead of Washington. So instead of there being a relatively clean sprawl/rural divide you can point to as a boundary, there is instead a more or less continuous sprawl that transitions from DC suburbs to Baltimore suburbs, and the mixing zone (particularly the Laurel-Columbia belt) is more accurately a suburb of both rather than one or the other.
ericmay 6y ago
I hadn't heard that term before either. Always just (maybe incorrectly) referred to the greater area is NoVa.
- showerst 6y ago
  NoVa is specifically the northern Virginia part, people here wouldn't consider that to include any of DC or Maryland.
riskable 6y ago
In my head every time I see that acronym I think, "Department of Motor Vehicles" but in this context it means: DC - Maryland - Virginia aka "The greater Washington, DC metro area"
5555624 6y ago
I'm not sure who first used it; but, millennials and other young people started using the term about 15 years or so ago to refer to the Washington DC metro area -- District Maryland Virginia. The local media picked up on it and started using it. Old farts like me still think "Division of Motor Vehicles."

DMV?

softwaredoug 6y ago

DC - Maryland - Virginia. Basically Northern Virginia to Baltimore as one larger metro area.

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ceilingcorner 6y ago

D.C. Maryland Virginia

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yardie 6y ago

DC, Maryland, Virginia. The 3 share common borders and most of the DC politicians and workers actually live in the 2 states. It's only fairly recent that having a residence in DC became fashionable.

cool_dude85 6y ago

DC, Maryland, Virginia. Really as far as I know it just means like DC and its various exurbs. Not sure if even Baltimore is considered in the DMV.

jcranmer 6y ago
Baltimore is a very distinct city with a distinct identity, although the border between DC suburbs and Baltimore suburbs is kind of vague; I wouldn't consider Baltimore part of the DC area. My general cut of it would be Frederick - Leesburg - (follow US 15 south) - Gainsville - Quantico - La Plata - Waldorf - Bowie - Laurel - back to Frederick, although I'm not high confidence of the cuts on the MD side of the line.
- mncharity 6y ago
  It does look like that maybe cuts MD tighter than VA: https://app.traveltime.com/search/0-lng=-77.03656&0-tt=45&0-mode=driving&0-time=a1616157050731&0-title=Washington%2C%20Washington%2C%20D.C.%2C%20United%20States%20of%20America&0-lat=38.89499 https://app.traveltime.com/search/0-lng=-77.03656&0-tt=45&0-...
  - jfengel 6y ago
    Virginia wanted to grow its exurbs, and Maryland didn't. Virginia created a lot of large houses on former farmland, where Maryland preserved more of it. Maryland also did a better job of spreading out its employers. A lot of those Virginia exurbs still commute into DC, or at least Northern Virginia, making traffic a nightmare, at least during rush hour. Another thing that slightly confuses that map: Virginia has much better arteries into DC. You get into DC from the south on I-395 and I-66, and they take you all the way downtown. Maryland has only surface streets. (It was supposed to have I-95 connecting straight through the city to join up with I-395, and I-595 where New York Avenue is, but that would have destroyed a lot of neighborhoods in exactly the way they were destroyed in building 66 and 395.) That means that there's a fair bit of Virginia that is technically 45 minutes away from the center of the city, but not during rush hour. The 45 minute line in Maryland is pretty close in, but the 1 hour line turns out to be quite broad, because you can reach it on Maryland's interstates that flow pretty freely (parts of it, even during rush hour). Of course you really should be taking public transport, except during a pandemic. The driving and parking are both horrible.
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    As my sibling comment points out, VA sprawled a lot further than MD did. The US-15/Quantico line in the VA is really quite close to the boundary between suburban sprawl and true rural. Cross the Potomac, and you cross from sprawl on the VA side to rural lands on the MD side: the western and northern reaches of Montgomery County are definitely rural, similarly for the southern reaches of Prince George's County. An additional factor to consider in the DC area is that the DC central business district is relatively weak compared to other major jobs centers: Arlington, VA (just across the river) has hefty job concentration, as does the Dulles-Tysons corridor; on the MD side, there's an additional jobs concentration on Rockville-Bethesda. The final factor is of course the Baltimore-Washington divide. As you head northwest in MD, more people start commuting to Baltimore instead of Washington. So instead of there being a relatively clean sprawl/rural divide you can point to as a boundary, there is instead a more or less continuous sprawl that transitions from DC suburbs to Baltimore suburbs, and the mixing zone (particularly the Laurel-Columbia belt) is more accurately a suburb of both rather than one or the other.

ericmay 6y ago

I hadn't heard that term before either. Always just (maybe incorrectly) referred to the greater area is NoVa.

showerst 6y ago
NoVa is specifically the northern Virginia part, people here wouldn't consider that to include any of DC or Maryland.

riskable 6y ago

In my head every time I see that acronym I think, "Department of Motor Vehicles" but in this context it means: DC - Maryland - Virginia aka "The greater Washington, DC metro area"

5555624 6y ago

I'm not sure who first used it; but, millennials and other young people started using the term about 15 years or so ago to refer to the Washington DC metro area -- District Maryland Virginia. The local media picked up on it and started using it. Old farts like me still think "Division of Motor Vehicles."