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"I often hear this [phrasing] in the 'first world' and surely you don't 'allow' or 'disallow' internal policies to an sovereign nation?" Forget about the third
by throwaway210222 6y ago
"I often hear this [phrasing] in the 'first world' and surely you don't 'allow' or 'disallow' internal policies to an sovereign nation?"
Forget about the third-world, right now the USA is not-allowing Germany the right to build a pipeline with Russia!
First-world - check, sovereign - check, allies - check.
- madengr 6y agoThe USA is not allowing the USA to build a pipeline.
- dahfizz 6y ago> the USA is not-allowing Germany the right to build a pipeline with Russia! The USA is threatening trade sanctions if Germany builds the pipeline. I would not call that "not-allowing". That seems to be OP's whole point. The US is responding as a sovereign nation to actions of other sovereign nations. Phraseology like "allow" and "disallow" are not accurate. If Germany does the cost-benefit analysis and decides to cancel the pipeline because they don't want trade sanctions, that was their decision as an independent nation. It is not as if we are threatening war.
- throwaway210222 6y agoNonsense. The USA would not have gone to all the trouble to pass legislation to sanction Nordstream2 if they didn't think it would be effective. The USA didn't just do it to voice their displeasure: they could have done that with an email. They truly think its enough of a hammer to stop the pipeline. Hence "won't allow"
- DiogenesKynikos 6y agoThe US is exploiting its centrality in the international financial system, though. No other country uses secondary sanctions so extensively to dictate to other countries who they may and may not trade with. When the US pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, for example, it essentially ordered European companies not to trade with Iran. Even European companies that have no business in the US are afraid to do business with Iran, because American secondary sanctions will still hit them. No European bank will lend to a European company that does business with Iran, out of fear of American sanctions. These sorts of actions will eventually provoke a reaction: either the establishment of alternate financial systems or retaliatory sanctions.
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoThe law is threatening fines if you exceed the speed limit. By that logic. Are allowed to break the law? Are you not?
- dahfizz 6y agoMy landlord raised my rent this year. Are they not allowing me to live in my apartment?
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoAre you with a straight face equating consequences of breaking the law (fines and jailtime) with paying rent?
- dahfizz 6y agoNo, I'm making it obvious that collecting fees does not constitute forcing someone to do something.
- nytgop77 6y agostop dating this girl or i will raise the rent x10. my english is not that good, but 'forcing' does not seem far.. maybe 'coercing' fits better, but the idea is very similar, make somebody do stuff against their will.
- dane-pgp 6y agoYou're not allowed to break the speed limit even if you pay the fine. You are allowed to live in your apartment if you pay the demanded rent.
- dahfizz 6y ago> You are allowed to live in your apartment if you pay the demanded rent. ding ding ding. Germany is allowed to build whatever pipelines they want, they just also might have to pay US trade sanctions. Without a threat of force, we are not forcing them to do anything.