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Sounds like reasoning out of emotion instead of data. I'd have these fears if countries that already have assisted suicide report that most cases are healthy el

Sounds like reasoning out of emotion instead of data. I'd have these fears if countries that already have assisted suicide report that most cases are healthy elderly people deciding to not live anymore. What all the data says is that most of assisted suicide cases are people suffering from horrible incurable diseases.

ziotom78 6y ago
Some time ago I looked for these data but was not able to find a «sound» source, apart from organizations promoting/fighting euthanasia. Do you have links to some objective sources? I would love to have a look at them.
- knuthsat 6y ago
  Google Scholar has a bunch of papers, from Oregon to Netherlands and papers analyze individual cases, categorize illness, history of suicide attempts etc.
- tremon 6y ago
  Here is a source, but it's not aggregated: https://www.euthanasiecommissie.nl/uitspraken-en-uitleg https://www.euthanasiecommissie.nl/uitspraken-en-uitleg . The first page is just a list of primary aspects, they all lead to the same document search page but with a different search base. As far as I can see, there is no single just-list-all-reports page. All Dutch euthanasia procedures are documented publicly. The documents include patient's condition, circumstances surrounding the request, assessments from multiple physicians, and the commission's judgement. They do not include the identity of the patient, for obvious reasons.
  - ziotom78 6y ago
    Thanks a lot!
notsureaboutpg 6y ago
When something starts, the worst possible abuse isn't immediate. It will take time for this abuse to pop up. But knowing how humans are, it will happen. I don't think this is the reason to oppose it though. Life is important and protecting it from ending is the main function of the state. There are many many sad stories of people who cannot have assisted suicide and suffer. But there's a whole other kind of suffering that a society goes through when people just kill themselves whenever they wish to with the full blessing of everyone around them.

ziotom78 6y ago

Some time ago I looked for these data but was not able to find a «sound» source, apart from organizations promoting/fighting euthanasia. Do you have links to some objective sources? I would love to have a look at them.

knuthsat 6y ago
Google Scholar has a bunch of papers, from Oregon to Netherlands and papers analyze individual cases, categorize illness, history of suicide attempts etc.
tremon 6y ago
Here is a source, but it's not aggregated: https://www.euthanasiecommissie.nl/uitspraken-en-uitleg https://www.euthanasiecommissie.nl/uitspraken-en-uitleg . The first page is just a list of primary aspects, they all lead to the same document search page but with a different search base. As far as I can see, there is no single just-list-all-reports page. All Dutch euthanasia procedures are documented publicly. The documents include patient's condition, circumstances surrounding the request, assessments from multiple physicians, and the commission's judgement. They do not include the identity of the patient, for obvious reasons.
- ziotom78 6y ago
  Thanks a lot!

notsureaboutpg 6y ago

When something starts, the worst possible abuse isn't immediate. It will take time for this abuse to pop up. But knowing how humans are, it will happen. I don't think this is the reason to oppose it though. Life is important and protecting it from ending is the main function of the state. There are many many sad stories of people who cannot have assisted suicide and suffer. But there's a whole other kind of suffering that a society goes through when people just kill themselves whenever they wish to with the full blessing of everyone around them.