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This is the drivers point of view, nowhere do we get the information of what actually happened. Just that the driver said the kids didn't put out the hand when

by Moru 6y ago

This is the drivers point of view, nowhere do we get the information of what actually happened. Just that the driver said the kids didn't put out the hand when he came in his big car in high speed. Were the kids actually turning or just going straight? Were they crossing the street?

DocTomoe 6y ago
In all fairness, OP's description of the incident is not very clear. As both a driver and a cyclist, the only situation I can imagine a car driving through a "cloud of cyclists" under any circumstance is an intersection with a second lane for turning left (or right, in left-hand traffic countries). In such a situation, a cyclist may want to switch lanes to the turning lane, and - of course - would have to indicate the lane change. If no such indication is given, as a car driver, I would expect the cyclist to continue onwards, especially if there are lights that are green. I would not expect the cyclist to swerve out without indication - and as a cyclist, I agree that this is a very dangerous situation for the cyclist, since not only you are swerving out into the direct path of a car, but you also get slower relative to it.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  If you can't imagine a cloud of cyclists you need to watch a video or two of what dutch cycling traffic is like. Flooring your accelerator in a spot like that is super dangerous.
jacquesm 6y ago
Specifically it was a roundabout, and the driver took half of it, the kids only 1/4, so he had to wait for all of 3 seconds before he realized they were making the turn, absolutely no reason to start driving that aggressively, especially not through literally 10's of cyclists. Very dangerous maneuver and only because he was irritated. This is the exact spot: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Eemnesserweg,+Baarn/@52.2145276,5.2820917,20z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c6403b6afe415d:0x9a594d9ba316caa8!8m2!3d52.2150875!4d5.2805214 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Eemnesserweg,+Baarn/@52.21... kids coming from Eemnesserweg turning right, car going straight, oncoming cyclist traffic on the road from the right as well. It was a pretty close call, there simply is no room there for faster driving than the speed at which the bikes move, which is fine because it takes less than a minute to cross the center of this town.

by Moru 6y ago

DocTomoe 6y ago

In all fairness, OP's description of the incident is not very clear. As both a driver and a cyclist, the only situation I can imagine a car driving through a "cloud of cyclists" under any circumstance is an intersection with a second lane for turning left (or right, in left-hand traffic countries). In such a situation, a cyclist may want to switch lanes to the turning lane, and - of course - would have to indicate the lane change. If no such indication is given, as a car driver, I would expect the cyclist to continue onwards, especially if there are lights that are green. I would not expect the cyclist to swerve out without indication - and as a cyclist, I agree that this is a very dangerous situation for the cyclist, since not only you are swerving out into the direct path of a car, but you also get slower relative to it.

jacquesm 6y ago
If you can't imagine a cloud of cyclists you need to watch a video or two of what dutch cycling traffic is like. Flooring your accelerator in a spot like that is super dangerous.

jacquesm 6y ago

Specifically it was a roundabout, and the driver took half of it, the kids only 1/4, so he had to wait for all of 3 seconds before he realized they were making the turn, absolutely no reason to start driving that aggressively, especially not through literally 10's of cyclists. Very dangerous maneuver and only because he was irritated. This is the exact spot: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Eemnesserweg,+Baarn/@52.2145276,5.2820917,20z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c6403b6afe415d:0x9a594d9ba316caa8!8m2!3d52.2150875!4d5.2805214 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Eemnesserweg,+Baarn/@52.21... kids coming from Eemnesserweg turning right, car going straight, oncoming cyclist traffic on the road from the right as well. It was a pretty close call, there simply is no room there for faster driving than the speed at which the bikes move, which is fine because it takes less than a minute to cross the center of this town.