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> Well this is a first, a dem telling the republicans how they feel. Could you please point out where the parent claims to be a Democrat? I don't see it anywhe

> Well this is a first, a dem telling the republicans how they feel. Could you please point out where the parent claims to be a Democrat? I don't see it anywhere in what they've said, or in the past few days of their comment history. > Most of the country doesn’t believe this. I'm not sure about "most", but it's certainly a significant fraction; presumably caused by Trump's refusal to admit defeat. > Regardless of what you believe, being on the other side nobody on the right will believe you. You stand to benefit most from this. What do you mean by "other side"? The Democrats? I would again ask where you got the idea that the parent is a Democrat; I don't see it in their posts. I think you may be mixing up cause and effect. Your claim seems to be that people on the right will not believe what the parent poster says, because the parent poster is a Democrat. However, your response is evidence of the inverse: that people on the right will believe the parent poster is a Democrat, because of what the parent poster says. This mistake is troubling, since it admits a circular argument: Democrats aren't believed, and those who aren't believed are Democrats. Like all circular arguments, this is self-consistent whilst being completely detached from reality (the content of any claims, evidence, etc. are irrelevant; that self-justifying loop will work for anything).

tekknik 6y ago
> Could you please point out where the parent claims to be a Democrat? I don't see it anywhere in what they've said, or in the past few days of their comment history. Yes, reread their comment, apply context, it should be apparent. > I'm not sure about "most", but it's certainly a significant fraction; presumably caused by Trump's refusal to admit defeat. Why do you think Trump has anything to do with it? He doesn't. Really people couldn't care less about Trump. The system is flawed regardless. > This mistake is troubling, since it admits a circular argument: Democrats aren't believed, and those who aren't believed are Democrats. Like all circular arguments, this is self-consistent whilst being completely detached from reality (the content of any claims, evidence, etc. are irrelevant; that self-justifying loop will work for anything). Hmmm, yup we have a divide in this country, mostly caused by dems refusal to accept and admit the right are people with opinions, ideas and feelings as well. Right doesn't believe left, left doesn't believe right. So, divide we have!
- chriswarbo 6y ago
  > reread their comment, apply context, it should be apparent. I did. It was not apparent; hence why I asked. > Why do you think Trump has anything to do with it? If we're still talking about "it" being a significant fraction of the US public being distrustful of the election process/results, then Trump's main relevance is the combination of: - His holding of the most powerful office in the world for four years - His direct attacks on the election process/results, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#2016_Presidential_election_results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Dona... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#Voting_by_mail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Dona... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#2020_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Dona... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Trump's_potential_rejection_of_election_results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Claims_of_fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Trump's_claim_of_a_stolen_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Trump's_claim_of_a_sto... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... - The attacks on the election process/results by other Repulican politicians, either using Trump's example to seize or cling-to power, or to curry Trump's favour, or to avoid Trump's wrath (either direct, or indirect like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election#Threats_of_violence_by_Trump_supporters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... ), e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election#Partisan_hearings_with_Republican_legislatures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... - The attacks on the election process/results by members of the public, following Trump's example, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Election_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election#Stop_the_Steal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... > Really people couldn't care less about Trump. You mean, other than the 74,216,154 who voted for him? Many of whom are in no way casual about their support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonstrations_in_support_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonstrations_in_support_of_D... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpism > we have a divide in this country, mostly caused by dems refusal to accept and admit the right are people with opinions, ideas and feelings as well. Do you anything at all to back up such absurd partisan hyperbole? > The system is flawed regardless. Lol, what fatalistic nonsense. Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw

tekknik 6y ago

> Could you please point out where the parent claims to be a Democrat? I don't see it anywhere in what they've said, or in the past few days of their comment history. Yes, reread their comment, apply context, it should be apparent. > I'm not sure about "most", but it's certainly a significant fraction; presumably caused by Trump's refusal to admit defeat. Why do you think Trump has anything to do with it? He doesn't. Really people couldn't care less about Trump. The system is flawed regardless. > This mistake is troubling, since it admits a circular argument: Democrats aren't believed, and those who aren't believed are Democrats. Like all circular arguments, this is self-consistent whilst being completely detached from reality (the content of any claims, evidence, etc. are irrelevant; that self-justifying loop will work for anything). Hmmm, yup we have a divide in this country, mostly caused by dems refusal to accept and admit the right are people with opinions, ideas and feelings as well. Right doesn't believe left, left doesn't believe right. So, divide we have!

chriswarbo 6y ago
> reread their comment, apply context, it should be apparent. I did. It was not apparent; hence why I asked. > Why do you think Trump has anything to do with it? If we're still talking about "it" being a significant fraction of the US public being distrustful of the election process/results, then Trump's main relevance is the combination of: - His holding of the most powerful office in the world for four years - His direct attacks on the election process/results, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#2016_Presidential_election_results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Dona... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#Voting_by_mail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Dona... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#2020_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Dona... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Trump's_potential_rejection_of_election_results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Claims_of_fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Trump's_claim_of_a_stolen_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Trump's_claim_of_a_sto... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... - The attacks on the election process/results by other Repulican politicians, either using Trump's example to seize or cling-to power, or to curry Trump's favour, or to avoid Trump's wrath (either direct, or indirect like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election#Threats_of_violence_by_Trump_supporters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... ), e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election#Partisan_hearings_with_Republican_legislatures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... - The attacks on the election process/results by members of the public, following Trump's example, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election#Election_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election#Stop_the_Steal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... > Really people couldn't care less about Trump. You mean, other than the 74,216,154 who voted for him? Many of whom are in no way casual about their support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonstrations_in_support_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonstrations_in_support_of_D... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpism > we have a divide in this country, mostly caused by dems refusal to accept and admit the right are people with opinions, ideas and feelings as well. Do you anything at all to back up such absurd partisan hyperbole? > The system is flawed regardless. Lol, what fatalistic nonsense. Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw