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Life is so important that anybody should be able to decide how to live it, and if want to live it. Mixing God in the arguments as you do, and the main reason i

Life is so important that anybody should be able to decide how to live it, and if want to live it. Mixing God in the arguments as you do, and the main reason in Spain this law was delayed, is taking freedom away from people who think different.

benhoyt 6y ago
There are always going to be some things that people believe we shouldn't be able to decide, even for ourselves. Someone else on the thread posted about consensual cannibalism -- most people would consider that over their line. A lot of it comes down to whether you believe we (as gotsa said) "fully own ourselves" or not. Note that religious believers don't "mix" God in their arguments, they're just speaking from their perspective. They believe that God is just there, that he made and guides everything. What you call "mixing God in" we might call "practising what we preach". It's maybe a bit like asking a Native American to stop "mixing their tribal culture into everything". That's just who they are.
- melenaboija 6y ago
  IMHO you can practice as much as you want as long as that does not affect others, and if I know something that does not fully own me, for sure is someone else beliefs.
- croes 6y ago
  This is all fine if it concerns themselves. But it's bonkers if it concerns others with other beliefs. Who determines that their belief that people are not allowed to decide about their own death is more important than my belief that people are not allowed to decide whether others have to suffer. Reminds me of Mother Teresa. Helping the poor but at the same time believing the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross.
- notsureaboutpg 6y ago
  None of the responses are going to reply to your bit about consensual cannibalism, but it's an excellent point. Just because we hear a story where a person really wanted to do something or make some choice but they could not, doesn't mean that person needs the right to do that thing. Choice and rights and liberty aren't the most important things in the world. And people who take the deification of those things to the extreme that they advocate for the kind of Futurama world where everyone can just hop in a suicide booth no questions asked are pushing their beliefs on everyone else without realizing it.
- guareber8 6y ago
  What's wrong with consensual cannibalism anyway? It's their life, I don't care if they like human meat or broccoli as long as that doesn't go above the freedoms and rights of another living being. Shit, I've gone full libertarian now.

benhoyt 6y ago

There are always going to be some things that people believe we shouldn't be able to decide, even for ourselves. Someone else on the thread posted about consensual cannibalism -- most people would consider that over their line. A lot of it comes down to whether you believe we (as gotsa said) "fully own ourselves" or not. Note that religious believers don't "mix" God in their arguments, they're just speaking from their perspective. They believe that God is just there, that he made and guides everything. What you call "mixing God in" we might call "practising what we preach". It's maybe a bit like asking a Native American to stop "mixing their tribal culture into everything". That's just who they are.

melenaboija 6y ago
IMHO you can practice as much as you want as long as that does not affect others, and if I know something that does not fully own me, for sure is someone else beliefs.
croes 6y ago
This is all fine if it concerns themselves. But it's bonkers if it concerns others with other beliefs. Who determines that their belief that people are not allowed to decide about their own death is more important than my belief that people are not allowed to decide whether others have to suffer. Reminds me of Mother Teresa. Helping the poor but at the same time believing the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross.
notsureaboutpg 6y ago
None of the responses are going to reply to your bit about consensual cannibalism, but it's an excellent point. Just because we hear a story where a person really wanted to do something or make some choice but they could not, doesn't mean that person needs the right to do that thing. Choice and rights and liberty aren't the most important things in the world. And people who take the deification of those things to the extreme that they advocate for the kind of Futurama world where everyone can just hop in a suicide booth no questions asked are pushing their beliefs on everyone else without realizing it.
guareber8 6y ago
What's wrong with consensual cannibalism anyway? It's their life, I don't care if they like human meat or broccoli as long as that doesn't go above the freedoms and rights of another living being. Shit, I've gone full libertarian now.