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> There is not a single sentence of introspection as to whether the media actually can’t be trusted. Some recent headlines (from "moderate" publications - this

> There is not a single sentence of introspection as to whether the media actually can’t be trusted. Some recent headlines (from "moderate" publications - this is just one interest/topic so consider all the other unhinged propaganda they are peddling): https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1372203410297032716 https://twitter.com/isgoodrum/status/1372203410297032716 I'm not shocked considering most are owned by people who shouldn't be let anywhere near media (Bezos, Murdoch, Bloomberg etc) so the question "who profits from the narrative" along with over-consumption of news (compared to pre-Internet) is more urgent than it used to be. They not only control the narrative but also are able to tap into Intel journos generate (before it is news). The Anglosphere _mainstream_ media seems to me a lot more toxic than anything I consume in other languages. No of them are ranked in top-25: https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking with US at #45 being far behind "shithole countries". Also with media in other countries people _know_ the media is corrupt because everything else is corrupt too. The corruption in US/Europe isn't any less present (compared to India or China). It has only moved further up (cost) so to "benefit", it takes 10s of thousands wired through shell/shelf companies rather than slipping a dirty cop some cash. Also BBC is now controlled by ghouls: The New BBC Chairman has Donated OVER £400,000 to the Conservatives https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/06/new-bbc-chairman-richard-sharp-donated-more-than-400000-to-conservative-party/ https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/06/new-bbc-chairman-richard-...

MikeUt 6y ago
> Some recent headlines Some more headlines and excerpts: Biden withdraws Trump rule on schools disclosing ties to Chinese state-run Confucius Institutes - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/news/biden-trump-rule-schools-disclosing-chinese-state-run-confucius-institutes https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/news/biden-trump-rul... [China] has spent more than $158 million on schools in the U.S. since 2006. Many colleges didn't reveal they've accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from China despite Education Department guidance that requires reporting of foreign gifts. - https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/27/china-college-confucius-institutes-1221768 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/27/china-college-conf... Businesses with Chinese connections gave Australia's major parties more than $5.5 million between 2013 and 2015, making them easily the largest source of foreign-linked donations. - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-21/australian-groups-strong-ties-china-political-donations/7768012 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-21/australian-groups-str... Apple Told Some Apple TV+ Show Developers Not To Anger China - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/apple-china-tv-protesters-hong-kong-tim-cook https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/apple-ch... Chinese students in Australia fear reprisals at home if they speak out, inquiry hears - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/12/chinese-students-in-australia-fear-reprisals-at-home-if-they-speak-out-inquiry-hears https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/12/chine... Perry Link, emeritus professor of East Asian Studies at Princeton University, says that [..] American scholars practice self-censorship about China and adopt the official narrative of the Chinese regime when talking about sensitive issues. “We don’t talk about ‘Taiwan independence.’ We talk about ‘the cross-Strait relations.’ We don’t talk about ‘the occupation of Tibet.’ We don’t call the June 4th Massacre ‘massacre.’ - https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-the-american-academy-misleads-about-china_2720496.html https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-the-american-academy-misle... Leica Camera has sought to distance itself from a promotional video depicting photographers covering the deadly Tiananmen Square crackdown three decades ago, after it landed the German company in hot water in China. - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3006817/leica-camera-backs-away-promotional-video-depicting-tiananmen https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3006817/lei... Mercedes-Benz apologizes to Chinese for quoting Dalai Lama - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mercedes-benz-china-gaffe-idUSKBN1FQ1FJ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mercedes-benz-china-gaffe... Uyghur students in Egypt detained, sent back to China - https://www.refworld.org/docid/5971a88ea.html https://www.refworld.org/docid/5971a88ea.html Nearly a dozen Uyghurs repatriated from Malaysia to China are sent to prison for ‘separatism.’ - https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/malaysia-12202012181314.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/malaysia-12202012181... A national fibreoptic backbone will be built for Pakistan not only for internet traffic, Dawn reports, but also for terrestrial distribution of broadcast TV, which will cooperate with Chinese media in the “dissemination of Chinese culture”. - https://indianexpress.com/article/india/china-pakistan-economic-corridor-politics-security-risk-amid-sweeping-china-influence-4657511/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/china-pakistan-econo... I guess it's easy to portray this as unhinged if you don't include any headlines with substance.
- yhoneycomb 6y ago
  Most of your points are straight up racist/xenophobic. > Apple Told Some Apple TV+ Show Developers Not To Anger China I guess asking the mainstream media, which has for decades denigrated Asians constantly, to tone it down a little is just too much to ask?
  - theandrewbailey 6y ago
    Opposing the Chinese government and the CCP (who are committing genocide) is not being racist.
    - yhoneycomb 6y ago
      The "genocide" myth is ridiculous. No country outside of the anglosphere believes it to be true, and that's including all Muslim countries. Get out of your echo chamber.
      - hntrader 6y ago
        Muslim countries that can't do without China's FDI. Not really a free vote at the UN when the alternative is removal of FDI and even sanctions.
        yhoneycomb 6y ago
        Idk anything about that but it's a moot point nonetheless. Countries in the anglosphere can't do without the US either, so of course they'll fall in line. Additionally, you'll have to have a lot stronger proof than that if you're going to claim that Muslim countries are ok with Muslims being genocided.
        hntrader 6y ago
        The US' influence over the anglosphere is irrelevant to the topic we are discussing. "Muslim countries are ok with Muslims being genocided." I didn't make such a claim. I'm talking about the incentives created for how leaders of Muslim countries vote at the UN in order to protect their own country's economic welfare and perhaps their own political careers as well. So what I'm getting at is you can't take as evidence the way these Muslim countries present themselves to the world insofar as this particular geopolitical question is concerned because the incentives likely force them into the pro-CCP position irrespective of what the truth is. Expensive moral righteousness is only easy if you're rich.
elefanten 6y ago
You can't just casually link that tweeter as if it were some media commenter. Ian Goodrum is one of the (thankfully relatively few) outright communist shill tankies on Twitter. I use those words carefully and self-aware that they are frequently misused on the internet: he is literally a shill for the Communist Party of China. And it shows in this tweet, which is completely devoid of any sane and intellectually honest context.

MikeUt 6y ago

> Some recent headlines Some more headlines and excerpts: Biden withdraws Trump rule on schools disclosing ties to Chinese state-run Confucius Institutes - https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/news/biden-trump-rule-schools-disclosing-chinese-state-run-confucius-institutes https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/news/biden-trump-rul... [China] has spent more than $158 million on schools in the U.S. since 2006. Many colleges didn't reveal they've accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from China despite Education Department guidance that requires reporting of foreign gifts. - https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/27/china-college-confucius-institutes-1221768 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/27/china-college-conf... Businesses with Chinese connections gave Australia's major parties more than $5.5 million between 2013 and 2015, making them easily the largest source of foreign-linked donations. - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-21/australian-groups-strong-ties-china-political-donations/7768012 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-21/australian-groups-str... Apple Told Some Apple TV+ Show Developers Not To Anger China - https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/apple-china-tv-protesters-hong-kong-tim-cook https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/apple-ch... Chinese students in Australia fear reprisals at home if they speak out, inquiry hears - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/12/chinese-students-in-australia-fear-reprisals-at-home-if-they-speak-out-inquiry-hears https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/12/chine... Perry Link, emeritus professor of East Asian Studies at Princeton University, says that [..] American scholars practice self-censorship about China and adopt the official narrative of the Chinese regime when talking about sensitive issues. “We don’t talk about ‘Taiwan independence.’ We talk about ‘the cross-Strait relations.’ We don’t talk about ‘the occupation of Tibet.’ We don’t call the June 4th Massacre ‘massacre.’ - https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-the-american-academy-misleads-about-china_2720496.html https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-the-american-academy-misle... Leica Camera has sought to distance itself from a promotional video depicting photographers covering the deadly Tiananmen Square crackdown three decades ago, after it landed the German company in hot water in China. - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3006817/leica-camera-backs-away-promotional-video-depicting-tiananmen https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3006817/lei... Mercedes-Benz apologizes to Chinese for quoting Dalai Lama - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mercedes-benz-china-gaffe-idUSKBN1FQ1FJ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mercedes-benz-china-gaffe... Uyghur students in Egypt detained, sent back to China - https://www.refworld.org/docid/5971a88ea.html https://www.refworld.org/docid/5971a88ea.html Nearly a dozen Uyghurs repatriated from Malaysia to China are sent to prison for ‘separatism.’ - https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/malaysia-12202012181314.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/malaysia-12202012181... A national fibreoptic backbone will be built for Pakistan not only for internet traffic, Dawn reports, but also for terrestrial distribution of broadcast TV, which will cooperate with Chinese media in the “dissemination of Chinese culture”. - https://indianexpress.com/article/india/china-pakistan-economic-corridor-politics-security-risk-amid-sweeping-china-influence-4657511/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/china-pakistan-econo... I guess it's easy to portray this as unhinged if you don't include any headlines with substance.

yhoneycomb 6y ago
Most of your points are straight up racist/xenophobic. > Apple Told Some Apple TV+ Show Developers Not To Anger China I guess asking the mainstream media, which has for decades denigrated Asians constantly, to tone it down a little is just too much to ask?
- theandrewbailey 6y ago
  Opposing the Chinese government and the CCP (who are committing genocide) is not being racist.
  - yhoneycomb 6y ago
    The "genocide" myth is ridiculous. No country outside of the anglosphere believes it to be true, and that's including all Muslim countries. Get out of your echo chamber.
    - hntrader 6y ago
      Muslim countries that can't do without China's FDI. Not really a free vote at the UN when the alternative is removal of FDI and even sanctions.
      - yhoneycomb 6y ago
        Idk anything about that but it's a moot point nonetheless. Countries in the anglosphere can't do without the US either, so of course they'll fall in line. Additionally, you'll have to have a lot stronger proof than that if you're going to claim that Muslim countries are ok with Muslims being genocided.
        hntrader 6y ago
        The US' influence over the anglosphere is irrelevant to the topic we are discussing. "Muslim countries are ok with Muslims being genocided." I didn't make such a claim. I'm talking about the incentives created for how leaders of Muslim countries vote at the UN in order to protect their own country's economic welfare and perhaps their own political careers as well. So what I'm getting at is you can't take as evidence the way these Muslim countries present themselves to the world insofar as this particular geopolitical question is concerned because the incentives likely force them into the pro-CCP position irrespective of what the truth is. Expensive moral righteousness is only easy if you're rich.

elefanten 6y ago

You can't just casually link that tweeter as if it were some media commenter. Ian Goodrum is one of the (thankfully relatively few) outright communist shill tankies on Twitter. I use those words carefully and self-aware that they are frequently misused on the internet: he is literally a shill for the Communist Party of China. And it shows in this tweet, which is completely devoid of any sane and intellectually honest context.