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What a set lessons to teach the readers at Teen Vogue. 1. Sincere apologies don't mean anything. 2. You will be judged by your actions as a child. 3. He who

What a set lessons to teach the readers at Teen Vogue. 1. Sincere apologies don't mean anything. 2. You will be judged by your actions as a child. 3. He who wins is the one who narcs the most on their peers. 4. It is better for you acquiesce to the will of an aggrieved mob than to stand for a principle. 5. Forgiveness is not as important as supporting the current moral panic. 6. Only the most pure and most aggrieved should lead.

etblg 6y ago
The most important two takeaways of all: 1. don't forget to delete your tweets 2. if there's no proof it happened, deny
- ipsocannibal 6y ago
  Roger Stone would be proud.
gamblor956 6y ago
1. People differ on whether her apology was sincere. 2. In 2011, she was an adult. Not a child. 4. I do not understand what "principle" you are defending here. The right to make racist tweets and ignore them? 5. Forgiveness is one thing. But why she lost the respect of nearly the entire staff of the magazine she was supposed to run. Also, she had literally no experience in fashion, and there are questions about the hiring process that led to her being hired over more qualified candidates with relevant experience. 6. Really, no. Just don't expect to be a boss if your history demonstrates you don't respect a large portion of your staff.
- ipsocannibal 6y ago
  1. Subjective standards should be decided based upon the current fashionable politics. 2. The age of majority in the US is 18, she was 17. If you aren't going to try a 17 year old robber as an adult then why would you try a minor in the court of public opinion as an adult. Oh yeah and basic math doesn't matter if it harms your narrative. 3. Im glad we agree. 4. The principle of forgiveness which you jump over in 5. So yeah kids willful ignorance is cool now. 5. The 'entire' staff did nothing in this case. A minority of the staff voiced a concern. The number mentioned in the article was 20. So its ok to make exaggerations to fit your narrative kids and those that scream the loudest are right. As for experience, she has experience in journalism and Anna Wintour who has plenty experience in fashion thought she was a great fit. So remember kids experience and expertise don't matter only political correctiness. 6. Remember kids only your first offense matters. Apologies nor actions demonstrating maturity, growth, or tolerance don't. Once a sinner always an unclean sinner.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    1. You're right. She wasn't sincere in her apology, as demonstrated by her cavalier attitude toward these concerns when the staff first brought it up when she was first hired. 2. She was 18 when she made half of those tweets, including all of the homophobic tweets. As she was in line to be in charge of a fashion magazine with a large gay readership, that alone would have led to her termination. 3. We don't agree. I don't even understand the context. 4. No, you're clearly not defending the principle of forgiveness. You've unilaterally decreed that Asians must forgive her because non-Asians do. 5. Well, if you want to be technical about it, a minority (20) of the total work force (including interns and contractors, 45 people) voiced a concern (but that minority was a majority of employees). Moreover, her "experience" in journalism consisted of three years of reporting, during which time she thought it was a good idea to began a relationship with someone she covered. Contrast to the staff at the magazine she would have led, where nearly all of the staff had multiples of her experience in the relevant field and were all objectively and subjectively better qualified to lead the magazine. Even before her racist and homophobic past became an issue again. 6. Multiple offenses. Spread over time. Racist and homophobic. And, based on the other scandal she was involved in within the past 4 months (i.e., related to her relationship with a White House staffer which led to her reassignment and his termination), it's clear that she hasn't demonstrated maturity or growth, and was entirely unsuitable for the lead editor position at Teen Vogue in the first place.
mbg721 6y ago
It's a fashion magazine; at least it's accurately reflecting the current fashions.
- FooBarBizBazz 6y ago
  You joke, but fashion publications have been at the vanguard of a lot of this. For example, during recent internal conflicts at the NYT (like the one that forced out Bari Weiss), it was the Style section where the staunchest supporters of one faction lived. It's obvious enough if you compare the Style section to other parts of the newspaper. I believe there were some earlier squabbles at Teen Vogue as well. The role of fashion publications is even reflected (knowingly, I assume) in phrases like "not a good look".

etblg 6y ago

The most important two takeaways of all: 1. don't forget to delete your tweets 2. if there's no proof it happened, deny

ipsocannibal 6y ago
Roger Stone would be proud.

gamblor956 6y ago

1. People differ on whether her apology was sincere. 2. In 2011, she was an adult. Not a child. 4. I do not understand what "principle" you are defending here. The right to make racist tweets and ignore them? 5. Forgiveness is one thing. But why she lost the respect of nearly the entire staff of the magazine she was supposed to run. Also, she had literally no experience in fashion, and there are questions about the hiring process that led to her being hired over more qualified candidates with relevant experience. 6. Really, no. Just don't expect to be a boss if your history demonstrates you don't respect a large portion of your staff.

ipsocannibal 6y ago
1. Subjective standards should be decided based upon the current fashionable politics. 2. The age of majority in the US is 18, she was 17. If you aren't going to try a 17 year old robber as an adult then why would you try a minor in the court of public opinion as an adult. Oh yeah and basic math doesn't matter if it harms your narrative. 3. Im glad we agree. 4. The principle of forgiveness which you jump over in 5. So yeah kids willful ignorance is cool now. 5. The 'entire' staff did nothing in this case. A minority of the staff voiced a concern. The number mentioned in the article was 20. So its ok to make exaggerations to fit your narrative kids and those that scream the loudest are right. As for experience, she has experience in journalism and Anna Wintour who has plenty experience in fashion thought she was a great fit. So remember kids experience and expertise don't matter only political correctiness. 6. Remember kids only your first offense matters. Apologies nor actions demonstrating maturity, growth, or tolerance don't. Once a sinner always an unclean sinner.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  1. You're right. She wasn't sincere in her apology, as demonstrated by her cavalier attitude toward these concerns when the staff first brought it up when she was first hired. 2. She was 18 when she made half of those tweets, including all of the homophobic tweets. As she was in line to be in charge of a fashion magazine with a large gay readership, that alone would have led to her termination. 3. We don't agree. I don't even understand the context. 4. No, you're clearly not defending the principle of forgiveness. You've unilaterally decreed that Asians must forgive her because non-Asians do. 5. Well, if you want to be technical about it, a minority (20) of the total work force (including interns and contractors, 45 people) voiced a concern (but that minority was a majority of employees). Moreover, her "experience" in journalism consisted of three years of reporting, during which time she thought it was a good idea to began a relationship with someone she covered. Contrast to the staff at the magazine she would have led, where nearly all of the staff had multiples of her experience in the relevant field and were all objectively and subjectively better qualified to lead the magazine. Even before her racist and homophobic past became an issue again. 6. Multiple offenses. Spread over time. Racist and homophobic. And, based on the other scandal she was involved in within the past 4 months (i.e., related to her relationship with a White House staffer which led to her reassignment and his termination), it's clear that she hasn't demonstrated maturity or growth, and was entirely unsuitable for the lead editor position at Teen Vogue in the first place.

mbg721 6y ago

It's a fashion magazine; at least it's accurately reflecting the current fashions.

FooBarBizBazz 6y ago
You joke, but fashion publications have been at the vanguard of a lot of this. For example, during recent internal conflicts at the NYT (like the one that forced out Bari Weiss), it was the Style section where the staunchest supporters of one faction lived. It's obvious enough if you compare the Style section to other parts of the newspaper. I believe there were some earlier squabbles at Teen Vogue as well. The role of fashion publications is even reflected (knowingly, I assume) in phrases like "not a good look".