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Look at tourist hotspots and how people behave there. A lot of people on their holidays want to drink, stay out until the wee hours of the morning, perhaps use

Look at tourist hotspots and how people behave there. A lot of people on their holidays want to drink, stay out until the wee hours of the morning, perhaps use soft drugs, etc. These are perfectly ordinary things to do on holiday, but add a child to the mix and society becomes quite disapproving. Of course children mean, for a subset of holidaymakers, no chance to do what they consider "fun things".

kbelder 6y ago
Not disagreeing, but the converse is that there's a large subset of people who feel that playing ball with a kid in a backyard, or helping a kid learn long division, is a lot more fun than partying and smoking pot. Those are the ones that are still having children. Biologically, if a smaller subset of a species is reproducing, it's going to accelerate evolutionary pressures. Memetically, there may be a parallel cultural effect.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  In recent years, there have been a lot of articles that aim to remove the stigma around regretting one's children. Women feel pressured to pretend that they love their children so much and think life is better with them, even when deep inside they wish they had never had them. So, even if that subset of people ends up having kids, it doesn’t necessarily mean evolutionary pressure towards people actually liking those kids and the activities done with them, and the subsequent generation may end up being anti-natalist regardless.
- watwut 6y ago
  > but the converse is that there's a large subset of people who feel that playing ball with a kid in a backyard, or helping a kid learn long division, is a lot more fun than partying and smoking pot. No, honestly there is not. Even including people who don't party hard and never take drugs. Kids can be rewarding in their own way, but help with homework nor backyard ball kicking with small child are not those rewarding moments if you do them regularly. They can be fun if you engage with kid once in few months, then it is pleasant change. But regularly, not so much.

kbelder 6y ago

Not disagreeing, but the converse is that there's a large subset of people who feel that playing ball with a kid in a backyard, or helping a kid learn long division, is a lot more fun than partying and smoking pot. Those are the ones that are still having children. Biologically, if a smaller subset of a species is reproducing, it's going to accelerate evolutionary pressures. Memetically, there may be a parallel cultural effect.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
In recent years, there have been a lot of articles that aim to remove the stigma around regretting one's children. Women feel pressured to pretend that they love their children so much and think life is better with them, even when deep inside they wish they had never had them. So, even if that subset of people ends up having kids, it doesn’t necessarily mean evolutionary pressure towards people actually liking those kids and the activities done with them, and the subsequent generation may end up being anti-natalist regardless.
watwut 6y ago
> but the converse is that there's a large subset of people who feel that playing ball with a kid in a backyard, or helping a kid learn long division, is a lot more fun than partying and smoking pot. No, honestly there is not. Even including people who don't party hard and never take drugs. Kids can be rewarding in their own way, but help with homework nor backyard ball kicking with small child are not those rewarding moments if you do them regularly. They can be fun if you engage with kid once in few months, then it is pleasant change. But regularly, not so much.