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Women not required to get married to have a successful life anymore is more likely the actual culprit. Objectively, women's rights and egalitarian opportunities

Women not required to get married to have a successful life anymore is more likely the actual culprit. Objectively, women's rights and egalitarian opportunities makes it easier for them not to have to get married to survive or rely on others. Marriage is most likely the #1 way low value males back in the day could've had kids. Now they're essentially not able to have kids and more people are ending up single. I'm not a traditionalist, pro-marriage, or even religious. The long term cultural effects spanning all cultures show that when both sexes have close to equal rights, birth rates drop.

monocasa 6y ago
I don't think that's it, since women aren't also required to get married to have children anymore either. It also doesn't account for childless couples, or the lower rate of having children even among those who have children as you go up the socio-economic ladder.
- sjg007 6y ago
  Big tech offers egg freezing. This means you don't have to sacrifice your career. It is a nice benefit, but why can't we instead support young mothers at work?
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
    This is what should exist imo. Families shouldn't be punished for having children. However, do we tell single men/women who just can't get married to pick up the married peoples slack?
- watwut 6y ago
  Being single parent with no support is harder then you think.
epakai 6y ago
> The long term cultural effects spanning all cultures show that when both sexes have close to equal rights, birth rates drop. I haven't thought of it this way. I still think lack of poverty is a bigger predictor, but it's interesting the outliers are countries like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, and Iraq. [0] (babies per woman vs. income level) [0] https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_y$which=children_per_woman_total_fertility&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null&spaceRef:null;;;&ui$chart$trails:false;;&chart-type=bubbles https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_y$which=...

monocasa 6y ago

I don't think that's it, since women aren't also required to get married to have children anymore either. It also doesn't account for childless couples, or the lower rate of having children even among those who have children as you go up the socio-economic ladder.

sjg007 6y ago
Big tech offers egg freezing. This means you don't have to sacrifice your career. It is a nice benefit, but why can't we instead support young mothers at work?
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
  This is what should exist imo. Families shouldn't be punished for having children. However, do we tell single men/women who just can't get married to pick up the married peoples slack?
watwut 6y ago
Being single parent with no support is harder then you think.

epakai 6y ago

> The long term cultural effects spanning all cultures show that when both sexes have close to equal rights, birth rates drop. I haven't thought of it this way. I still think lack of poverty is a bigger predictor, but it's interesting the outliers are countries like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, and Iraq. [0] (babies per woman vs. income level) [0] https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_y$which=children_per_woman_total_fertility&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null&spaceRef:null;;;&ui$chart$trails:false;;&chart-type=bubbles https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_y$which=...