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I think liberal is rather a label, a brand to have something to be proud of. Actually our societies are very opressive. We have to function as expected at all t

by 5tefan 6y ago

I think liberal is rather a label, a brand to have something to be proud of. Actually our societies are very opressive. We have to function as expected at all times. As a parent I can tell you this is impossible. Toiling along and working through live and spending money on meaningless stuff is the new meaning of life. There's precious few headroom to have children. You can't have them or can't afford them.

unknown_apostle 6y ago
It's also an expression of choice and priorities. Every child is a new person that really exists, that can experience the world and continue to live forever in the love of God.
- JetAlone 6y ago
  Amen.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  This sounds like a reason for people to have as many children as possible, which is also unsustainable.
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
If you think this is oppressive, you ought to try living in a society that's actually oppressive. > We have to function as expected at all times. No, we don't. (I mean, yes, we do to the degree necessary to keep a job and not get arrested. Other than that, though, no.) Nothing is forcing you to "function as expected at all times" except your bowing to others' expectations for you. > Toiling along and working through live and spending money on meaningless stuff is the new meaning of life. Only if you make it so. As it sounds like you have figured out, there's no actual meaning there. Don't keep chasing down that dead end; you won't find anything there.
- 5tefan 6y ago
  That misses the point. Someone being off worse doesn't mean I am fine. Being comparably fine doesn't mean I have to sit in silence and wait until it is bad enough so that I am allowed to say something. I absolutely agree that others are off way worse than I am. I figured it out. But it doesn't help. Economically I am forced to function. No work no money. I need a certain amount of money to sustain a reasonable level of family life. I like it simple. But still - I must function. I love being a dad.

by 5tefan 6y ago

unknown_apostle 6y ago

It's also an expression of choice and priorities. Every child is a new person that really exists, that can experience the world and continue to live forever in the love of God.

JetAlone 6y ago
Amen.
amanaplanacanal 6y ago
This sounds like a reason for people to have as many children as possible, which is also unsustainable.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

If you think this is oppressive, you ought to try living in a society that's actually oppressive. > We have to function as expected at all times. No, we don't. (I mean, yes, we do to the degree necessary to keep a job and not get arrested. Other than that, though, no.) Nothing is forcing you to "function as expected at all times" except your bowing to others' expectations for you. > Toiling along and working through live and spending money on meaningless stuff is the new meaning of life. Only if you make it so. As it sounds like you have figured out, there's no actual meaning there. Don't keep chasing down that dead end; you won't find anything there.

5tefan 6y ago
That misses the point. Someone being off worse doesn't mean I am fine. Being comparably fine doesn't mean I have to sit in silence and wait until it is bad enough so that I am allowed to say something. I absolutely agree that others are off way worse than I am. I figured it out. But it doesn't help. Economically I am forced to function. No work no money. I need a certain amount of money to sustain a reasonable level of family life. I like it simple. But still - I must function. I love being a dad.