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> "If it's open for you but not for him what's your problem?" Now we have to deal with examining and getting approval for umpteen oddball custom software licen

> "If it's open for you but not for him what's your problem?" Now we have to deal with examining and getting approval for umpteen oddball custom software licenses instead of just the standard FOSS ones and, yeah, that is a problem. The pain of dealing with licenses was part of what drove adoption of FOSS in the first place. The original spirit of open source was scratching an itch and sharing your code in hopes others found it useful. The current squabbles are about large for-profit corporations trying to extract money from other large for-profit corporations, so let's call these new licenses what they are: proprietary licenses with source availability.

rightbyte 6y ago
Teaser license?
pydry 6y ago
>Now we have to deal with examining and getting approval Your legal department's inability to keep up to date is not the fault of the open source community. Corporate legal departments were exactly as useless, intransigent and belligerent when open source was first introduced. Their tendency towards evil or laziness is not an excuse for anything. >yeah, that is a problem With your legal department. THEY need to change. JUST as they were dragged kicking and screaming into the age of open source. >The original spirit of open source was scratching an itch and sharing your code No it wasn't. It was about freedom of speech and freedom to do with as you will with what you have on your computer. It's amazing the number of people I've come across today that misunderstood both the legality and the spirit of open source in a way that Google or Amazon would strongly approve of.
- yellowapple 6y ago
  > Your legal department Not everyone has a legal department. If I'm an independent contractor who wants to sell my ElasticSearch expertise as a service, namely by charging to setup and maintain ES instances on behalf of others, am I compliant with ElasticSearch's newfangled non-free license? Or am I "Amazon" in this context? Judging by how Elastic themselves describe their license[1], it looks a heck of a lot like I'm "Amazon" as far as they're concerned, since my labor would take the form of a "managed service" - never mind that my annual income is several orders of magnitude less than Amazon's, and probably would continue to be such even assuming my services sell like hotcakes. ---- [1]: https://www.elastic.co/pricing/faq/licensing https://www.elastic.co/pricing/faq/licensing

rightbyte 6y ago

Teaser license?

pydry 6y ago

>Now we have to deal with examining and getting approval Your legal department's inability to keep up to date is not the fault of the open source community. Corporate legal departments were exactly as useless, intransigent and belligerent when open source was first introduced. Their tendency towards evil or laziness is not an excuse for anything. >yeah, that is a problem With your legal department. THEY need to change. JUST as they were dragged kicking and screaming into the age of open source. >The original spirit of open source was scratching an itch and sharing your code No it wasn't. It was about freedom of speech and freedom to do with as you will with what you have on your computer. It's amazing the number of people I've come across today that misunderstood both the legality and the spirit of open source in a way that Google or Amazon would strongly approve of.

yellowapple 6y ago
> Your legal department Not everyone has a legal department. If I'm an independent contractor who wants to sell my ElasticSearch expertise as a service, namely by charging to setup and maintain ES instances on behalf of others, am I compliant with ElasticSearch's newfangled non-free license? Or am I "Amazon" in this context? Judging by how Elastic themselves describe their license[1], it looks a heck of a lot like I'm "Amazon" as far as they're concerned, since my labor would take the form of a "managed service" - never mind that my annual income is several orders of magnitude less than Amazon's, and probably would continue to be such even assuming my services sell like hotcakes. ---- [1]: https://www.elastic.co/pricing/faq/licensing https://www.elastic.co/pricing/faq/licensing