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How about a single neuron? After all, a single neuron is far more complex than a worm—just like a company is far less complex than the people who compose it.
by dr_dshiv 6y ago
How about a single neuron? After all, a single neuron is far more complex than a worm—just like a company is far less complex than the people who compose it.
- morpheos137 6y agoA single neuron is not an independent self replicating organism so I would not say a single neuron is alive (on its own) per my definition, although it is part of a larger living creature.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoAre people actually independent self-replicating organisms. We are all parts of a superorganism, no? Each of our experiences are composed of the experiences of (billions?) of other people. We aren't islands.
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- morpheos137 6y agoDo you suppose neurons consider the super organism they are part of? No. So why should humans. Yes "we" are all fragments of the unified human experience, but our role, as individuals is to live as individuals.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoHmm, not sure I agree. I think our role is to create a harmonious global society. But to do that, we need to take care of yourself, our friends and family, etc. And do neurons know about us? Well, they only know what they know. I think what they know could potentially be an empirical question. Some neurons are far more complex and connected than others.
- phcordner 6y agoHow? A worm is a whole multicellular organism. A neuron's just a cell, one that's specialized into a single function. All a single neuron does is pass a signal to the synaptic cleft in response to a chemical or electrical signal at the other end. It's a simple subunit of a larger system. Saying a single neuron is more complex than a worm is like saying a cat6 ethernet cable is more complex than a blast furnace.
- tayo42 6y agoI agree with the sentiment, but I think your selling neurons short. They do grow, develop and change over time as a response to their inputs.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoJust because a structure is larger and contains complex structures does not mean the larger system is more complex. For instance, I can create a logic gate with some friends. The logic gate is way simpler than the people composing it. Neurons can have millions of mitochondria [1], which they dynamically move about the cell. Neurons are like amoeba with dozens of pseudopods when young. Amoeba are more complicated than worms, in terms of degrees of freedom, no? Check this video of fetal neurons movin' about. So cute! https://youtu.be/hb7tjqhfDus https://youtu.be/hb7tjqhfDus [1] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncir.2016.00023/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncir.2016.0002...
- engineer_22 6y agoEarthworms actually have a well developed nervous system, containing many neurons.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoYeah, but if this (below) is happening inside a single cell, doesn't it seem much easier to model a single worm than to model a single cell? Inner life of a cell: https://youtu.be/wJyUtbn0O5Y https://youtu.be/wJyUtbn0O5Y
- engineer_22 6y agoGreat animation, thanks for sharing.
- lurquer 6y agoExcellent point, and one that many fail to grasp. Indeed, I’ve always suspected your observation may be the best definition of ‘life’ we currently have; namely, living systems are composed of parts that are more complex than the whole. It’s a hard concept to articulate. But, as you obviously know, the principle is obvious.. it doesn’t stop with the neuron; I would suspect the neurons membrane or its organelles are more ‘complex’ than the neuron itself.