> His loving pupil Plato went on to start the whole "Western civilization" thing. That is an absurd claim! Plato is perhaps the most important philosopher, but

> His loving pupil Plato went on to start the whole "Western civilization" thing. That is an absurd claim! Plato is perhaps the most important philosopher, but other creations of Greek culture like tragedy, comedy, epics, history, sculpture, architecture, democracy, geometry predates Plato. Plato actually hated a lot of the things we consider civilization like poetry, acting and democracy.