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Harsh penalty and strict enforcement should do quite well. If you want to be a database of private information, the burden is on you to comply with privacy laws

Harsh penalty and strict enforcement should do quite well. If you want to be a database of private information, the burden is on you to comply with privacy laws. If I assert you have collected my face and stored it illegally in a database (i.e. without my consent), a regulator should be able to quickly follow up for compliance, and if found to be out of compliance, penalty is imposed. TCPA works really well for call centers, and CAN-SPAM works really well for email marketing platforms. There's no reason a similar piece of legislation for facial recognition could not be passed.

Ajedi32 6y ago
Sure, you can stop legitimate US companies from using your face that way. But what happens when the database isn't hosted in the US, or is distributed anonymously by a peer-to-peer network. TCPA and CAN-SPAM are hardly what I'd call effective. I still get tons of spam calls and emails. I'm not saying legislation is a bad idea; just that it's not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle.
- michaelt 6y ago
  Unlike spam (which can trivially be sent across jurisdictional borders) you can't point a new camera at a San Francisco resident without being in California.
  - da_big_ghey 6y ago
    Stream camera to box in other nation running recongiton model.
- dimitrios1 6y ago
  Sure, there are going to be smaller players, but they won't matter in the grand scheme of things. The FBI, or DOD isn't going to go scouring the crevices of the web and look through various sources, they want one big database that's easy to query, and likewise, a company like Clearwater wants to get big so it can be in a position of power, and of course, $$$.
  - salawat 6y ago
    You severely underestimate the lengths government will go to to end run around prohibitions, and how easily that can be accomplished by a private contractor.
    - dimitrios1 6y ago
      No, not really. I've considered that as well. It's ok if the government does it, there is oversight committees, there's the whole issue of the constitution, and eventually all will be known. Plus things can change. The PATRIOT act could very well be overturned one day. I am not saying shady actors won't get away with some shady stuff for a short while. I care more about private side business being allowed to do this unbounded.
- jacques_chester 6y ago
  You can also stop legitimate murderers from murdering by enforcing laws against murder. "It's hard" is not an answer to the question "should this be illegal?". It's a statement that comes later, when the budgets are being made.

Ajedi32 6y ago

Sure, you can stop legitimate US companies from using your face that way. But what happens when the database isn't hosted in the US, or is distributed anonymously by a peer-to-peer network. TCPA and CAN-SPAM are hardly what I'd call effective. I still get tons of spam calls and emails. I'm not saying legislation is a bad idea; just that it's not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle.

michaelt 6y ago
Unlike spam (which can trivially be sent across jurisdictional borders) you can't point a new camera at a San Francisco resident without being in California.
- da_big_ghey 6y ago
  Stream camera to box in other nation running recongiton model.
dimitrios1 6y ago
Sure, there are going to be smaller players, but they won't matter in the grand scheme of things. The FBI, or DOD isn't going to go scouring the crevices of the web and look through various sources, they want one big database that's easy to query, and likewise, a company like Clearwater wants to get big so it can be in a position of power, and of course, $$$.
- salawat 6y ago
  You severely underestimate the lengths government will go to to end run around prohibitions, and how easily that can be accomplished by a private contractor.
  - dimitrios1 6y ago
    No, not really. I've considered that as well. It's ok if the government does it, there is oversight committees, there's the whole issue of the constitution, and eventually all will be known. Plus things can change. The PATRIOT act could very well be overturned one day. I am not saying shady actors won't get away with some shady stuff for a short while. I care more about private side business being allowed to do this unbounded.
jacques_chester 6y ago
You can also stop legitimate murderers from murdering by enforcing laws against murder. "It's hard" is not an answer to the question "should this be illegal?". It's a statement that comes later, when the budgets are being made.