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I'm fully for that. And when we find out that a hard lockdown would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, I hope we'll also have the guts to lock up the pe

I'm fully for that. And when we find out that a hard lockdown would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, I hope we'll also have the guts to lock up the people who advocated against it, simply to further political goals. And try them for murder.

runawaybottle 6y ago
Let’s do it. And, if you are wrong (just the people that really couldn’t paint Covid into it’s proper form and let it metastasize into a boogeyman disease), tax everyone to help pay for all the businesses that had to close or people that had to lose jobs.
logicchains 6y ago
How about trying for murder the people who advocated the global "soft" lockdown that plunged hundreds of millions of people in poor countries into poverty (https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/covid-19-to-add-as-many-as-150-million-extreme-poor-by-2021 https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c...) and killed hundreds of thousands of children (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un-idUSKBN21Y2X7 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-childr...), just to increase the life expectancy of their 80 year old grandparents by a year or two.
- BrianOnHN 6y ago
  "But the children..."
- jansan 6y ago
  It did not even, or only marginally, increase the live expectancy of the over 80 year old.
- sofixa 6y ago
  How about trying for murder the people who advocated that the economy is more important and killed thousands of people through negligence? We can never know due to the vast array of different variables involved, but to say what Brazil is going through, or what some US states went through, and the associated death toll is somehow better than a lockdown seems a very weird take. When thousands are sick, and hospitals are full, medical personnel is stretched to their limits, nobody can get intensive care, regardless of age. Poverty is a serious issue that needs to be tackled, but ignoring direct and indirect deaths due to Covid is simply wrong.
  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    The hospitals are full because massive amounts of exaggerated takes on Coronavirus were propped up by many vehicles (media, moral heroes, etc). We couldn’t identify the true at-risk demo and target them. No, enough of the moral take. We didn’t approach this pragmatically, and we need to stand up against the grandstanding that fervently uses emotional hostage taking as a talking point. FUD was at maximum from the start. Toilet paper shortages. What else can I say.
    - sofixa 6y ago
      We're a year in. We can identify at risk cases, and, from the beginning, only heavy cases get to the hospital.
      - runawaybottle 6y ago
        Huh? No. Give it a rest. The United States hospital system didn’t get inundated because the target demo visited it. Hysteria got everyone going to the hospital. That’s it. You know how I’m sure? Because it’s the same phenomenon that got everyone to stock up on toilet paper. It was the fucking FLU. What a shame. Anyone that disagrees with this better fucking provide the Covid numbers in comparison to previous year flu numbers.
        sofixa 6y ago
        Who is talking about the US hospital system? Today, hospitals in France at 83% capacity, in the region around Paris at 104%. During the first wave, the situation in Italy was so bad doctors had to choose who had a higher chance of survival and only admit them, and leave others to die on the streets. I cannot believe there are still people in an alternative reality. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=home...? Here are some numbers. Do check when was the last time a "flu" killed ( confirmed) 2.7m people. Not to mention it's still ongoing, mutating, and new variants are more easy to spread and heavier, especially among younger (<50 years) people. Please educate yourself and stop spewing nonsense that was debunked a month in the pandemic.
- hvac 6y ago
  https://time.com/5929751/childhood-mortality-2020-covid-19/ https://time.com/5929751/childhood-mortality-2020-covid-19/ That Reuters article is speculation from nearly a year ago.
- jancsika 6y ago
  > just to increase the life expectancy of their 80 year old grandparents by a year or two. HN Quick Capsule Review: * a user named "logicchains" begins a nationwide campaign to lock up the set of people who a) love their octogenarian grandparents and b) advocated for a lockdown. HN Quick Capsule Review Future Edition: * bored adtech recounts uncle's harrowing run in with a union job
- ulucs 6y ago
  Don't forget about wealthy countries hoarding vaccines and denying developing countries access too.
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runawaybottle 6y ago

Let’s do it. And, if you are wrong (just the people that really couldn’t paint Covid into it’s proper form and let it metastasize into a boogeyman disease), tax everyone to help pay for all the businesses that had to close or people that had to lose jobs.

logicchains 6y ago

How about trying for murder the people who advocated the global "soft" lockdown that plunged hundreds of millions of people in poor countries into poverty (https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/covid-19-to-add-as-many-as-150-million-extreme-poor-by-2021 https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c...) and killed hundreds of thousands of children (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un-idUSKBN21Y2X7 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-childr...), just to increase the life expectancy of their 80 year old grandparents by a year or two.

BrianOnHN 6y ago
"But the children..."
jansan 6y ago
It did not even, or only marginally, increase the live expectancy of the over 80 year old.
sofixa 6y ago
How about trying for murder the people who advocated that the economy is more important and killed thousands of people through negligence? We can never know due to the vast array of different variables involved, but to say what Brazil is going through, or what some US states went through, and the associated death toll is somehow better than a lockdown seems a very weird take. When thousands are sick, and hospitals are full, medical personnel is stretched to their limits, nobody can get intensive care, regardless of age. Poverty is a serious issue that needs to be tackled, but ignoring direct and indirect deaths due to Covid is simply wrong.
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  The hospitals are full because massive amounts of exaggerated takes on Coronavirus were propped up by many vehicles (media, moral heroes, etc). We couldn’t identify the true at-risk demo and target them. No, enough of the moral take. We didn’t approach this pragmatically, and we need to stand up against the grandstanding that fervently uses emotional hostage taking as a talking point. FUD was at maximum from the start. Toilet paper shortages. What else can I say.
  - sofixa 6y ago
    We're a year in. We can identify at risk cases, and, from the beginning, only heavy cases get to the hospital.
    - runawaybottle 6y ago
      Huh? No. Give it a rest. The United States hospital system didn’t get inundated because the target demo visited it. Hysteria got everyone going to the hospital. That’s it. You know how I’m sure? Because it’s the same phenomenon that got everyone to stock up on toilet paper. It was the fucking FLU. What a shame. Anyone that disagrees with this better fucking provide the Covid numbers in comparison to previous year flu numbers.
      - sofixa 6y ago
        Who is talking about the US hospital system? Today, hospitals in France at 83% capacity, in the region around Paris at 104%. During the first wave, the situation in Italy was so bad doctors had to choose who had a higher chance of survival and only admit them, and leave others to die on the streets. I cannot believe there are still people in an alternative reality. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=home...? Here are some numbers. Do check when was the last time a "flu" killed ( confirmed) 2.7m people. Not to mention it's still ongoing, mutating, and new variants are more easy to spread and heavier, especially among younger (<50 years) people. Please educate yourself and stop spewing nonsense that was debunked a month in the pandemic.
hvac 6y ago
https://time.com/5929751/childhood-mortality-2020-covid-19/ https://time.com/5929751/childhood-mortality-2020-covid-19/ That Reuters article is speculation from nearly a year ago.
jancsika 6y ago
> just to increase the life expectancy of their 80 year old grandparents by a year or two. HN Quick Capsule Review: * a user named "logicchains" begins a nationwide campaign to lock up the set of people who a) love their octogenarian grandparents and b) advocated for a lockdown. HN Quick Capsule Review Future Edition: * bored adtech recounts uncle's harrowing run in with a union job
ulucs 6y ago
Don't forget about wealthy countries hoarding vaccines and denying developing countries access too.

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