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40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT:

40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.

YinglingLight 6y ago
It's financially lucrative for a hospital to have COVID deaths.
lemmonii 6y ago
Did you read the article? The Norwegians claim that one of the health workers died.
- afavour 6y ago
  I meant to write “confirmed deaths”, sorry. Updated my comment. “confirmed” might seem like nitpicking but it’s widely speculated that the actual death count for COVID is much higher than the confirmed number too.
bewaretheirs 6y ago
7 cases in Germany, with 3 deaths. Patients were aged 20 to 50 years. https://www.pei.de/EN/newsroom/hp-news/2021/210315-pei-informs-temporary-suspension-vaccination-astra-zeneca.html https://www.pei.de/EN/newsroom/hp-news/2021/210315-pei-infor... https://www.pei.de/EN/service/faq/coronavirus/faq-coronavirus-node.html?cms_tabcounter=3 https://www.pei.de/EN/service/faq/coronavirus/faq-coronaviru...
- afavour 6y ago
  Thanks, I’ve updated my comment. I still believe my original point stands.
  - bewaretheirs 6y ago
    so what's puzzling is that the fatality rate from this complication is so high in Germany (3 of 7) where it's so much lower in the US and UK. Pausing vaccination with the AZ vaccine in Germany doesn't seem like an overreaction. At the very least, reviewing & communicating best practices for detecting and treating this would be in order.
hvidgaard 6y ago
I think it's even more nuanced than that. The people suffering issues here are young people that would otherwise probably not die or have serious long term effects of Covid-19. People are going to think "Why should I risk death, even if it's just a relatively small risk?"
chithanh 6y ago
> But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine. It is worth breaking that down by age, sex, and other risk factors. For an 80 year old male obese smoker, who lives in a country with high COVID-19 rates, I have no problem believing that COVID-19 is more dangerous than the AstraZeneca vaccine. For a 25 year old female with no comorbidities, who lives in a country with low COVID-19 rates, this is much less clear and will now have to be determined statistically.
- 5cents 6y ago
  In Norway, five women below 50 years have died of COVID-19 (in total) and one from the vaccine Source (in English): https://www.fhi.no/en/id/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/daily-reports/daily-reports-COVID19/ https://www.fhi.no/en/id/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/dai...
  - chithanh 6y ago
    But did these women have any comorbidities?
    - kwhitefoot 6y ago
      The sample is so small that even if they did it wouldn't be possible to say anything definitive about any possible connection. The death rate here in Norway is minuscule compared to the UK, US, France, etc.
macinjosh 6y ago
> 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) That is a hugely inflated numbers. For example, people who died in motorcycle accidents who tested positive for COVID at the time are counted in that total. It may be useful to the CDC to count that way but it is not an accurate number to show how dangerous COVID actually is. Flu death statistics are way down this year. Did the flu magically disappear this year? I doubt it. Almost all respiratory infections were counted as COVID out of an abundance of caution. Yes, COVID is dangerous. However, the count that is published is way over stated.
- gredrotino 6y ago
  This is not necessarily the case, and based on excess mortality data if the number is off it is most likely under reported (look at the senior home reporting in NY state and the reluctance of certain states, like Flordia, to openly share this data). In the case of the motorcycle accident: the man was in a crash and hospitalized for over a week where he died of COVID related respiratory failure. While he would not have been in the hospital had it not been for the accident, had it not been for COVID he very well may have survived his time there. Regarding the Flu, it is way down this year precisely because of the measures that have been taken for COVID. It is less transmissible than COVID, so it stands to reason that it would die out during a time when most people are taking precautions to prevent the spread of a more transmissible virus.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  This canard is still being trailed out? Excess death counts are available, and they are even higher than the COVID death counts, suggesting that the official count may actually be an underestimate of total fatalities. However, the claim that that it is "way over stated" is not borne out by the actual statistics.
  - macinjosh 6y ago
    Your only response to the well known fact that the data has flaws [0,1] is more unspecified statistics. Why should I put any trust in those if I know the death count statistic has clear flaws? I'd rather our society not be directed based on easily manipulated statistics. It cloaks hidden agendas behind the guise of science and math which is dishonest. [0]: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/15/colorado-covid-coronavirus-counting-deaths-fatalities/ https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/15/colorado-covid-coronav... [1]: https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questi...

YinglingLight 6y ago

It's financially lucrative for a hospital to have COVID deaths.

lemmonii 6y ago

Did you read the article? The Norwegians claim that one of the health workers died.

afavour 6y ago
I meant to write “confirmed deaths”, sorry. Updated my comment. “confirmed” might seem like nitpicking but it’s widely speculated that the actual death count for COVID is much higher than the confirmed number too.

bewaretheirs 6y ago

7 cases in Germany, with 3 deaths. Patients were aged 20 to 50 years. https://www.pei.de/EN/newsroom/hp-news/2021/210315-pei-informs-temporary-suspension-vaccination-astra-zeneca.html https://www.pei.de/EN/newsroom/hp-news/2021/210315-pei-infor... https://www.pei.de/EN/service/faq/coronavirus/faq-coronavirus-node.html?cms_tabcounter=3 https://www.pei.de/EN/service/faq/coronavirus/faq-coronaviru...

afavour 6y ago
Thanks, I’ve updated my comment. I still believe my original point stands.
- bewaretheirs 6y ago
  so what's puzzling is that the fatality rate from this complication is so high in Germany (3 of 7) where it's so much lower in the US and UK. Pausing vaccination with the AZ vaccine in Germany doesn't seem like an overreaction. At the very least, reviewing & communicating best practices for detecting and treating this would be in order.

hvidgaard 6y ago

I think it's even more nuanced than that. The people suffering issues here are young people that would otherwise probably not die or have serious long term effects of Covid-19. People are going to think "Why should I risk death, even if it's just a relatively small risk?"

chithanh 6y ago

> But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine. It is worth breaking that down by age, sex, and other risk factors. For an 80 year old male obese smoker, who lives in a country with high COVID-19 rates, I have no problem believing that COVID-19 is more dangerous than the AstraZeneca vaccine. For a 25 year old female with no comorbidities, who lives in a country with low COVID-19 rates, this is much less clear and will now have to be determined statistically.

5cents 6y ago
In Norway, five women below 50 years have died of COVID-19 (in total) and one from the vaccine Source (in English): https://www.fhi.no/en/id/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/daily-reports/daily-reports-COVID19/ https://www.fhi.no/en/id/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/dai...
- chithanh 6y ago
  But did these women have any comorbidities?
  - kwhitefoot 6y ago
    The sample is so small that even if they did it wouldn't be possible to say anything definitive about any possible connection. The death rate here in Norway is minuscule compared to the UK, US, France, etc.

macinjosh 6y ago

> 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) That is a hugely inflated numbers. For example, people who died in motorcycle accidents who tested positive for COVID at the time are counted in that total. It may be useful to the CDC to count that way but it is not an accurate number to show how dangerous COVID actually is. Flu death statistics are way down this year. Did the flu magically disappear this year? I doubt it. Almost all respiratory infections were counted as COVID out of an abundance of caution. Yes, COVID is dangerous. However, the count that is published is way over stated.

gredrotino 6y ago
This is not necessarily the case, and based on excess mortality data if the number is off it is most likely under reported (look at the senior home reporting in NY state and the reluctance of certain states, like Flordia, to openly share this data). In the case of the motorcycle accident: the man was in a crash and hospitalized for over a week where he died of COVID related respiratory failure. While he would not have been in the hospital had it not been for the accident, had it not been for COVID he very well may have survived his time there. Regarding the Flu, it is way down this year precisely because of the measures that have been taken for COVID. It is less transmissible than COVID, so it stands to reason that it would die out during a time when most people are taking precautions to prevent the spread of a more transmissible virus.
jcranmer 6y ago
This canard is still being trailed out? Excess death counts are available, and they are even higher than the COVID death counts, suggesting that the official count may actually be an underestimate of total fatalities. However, the claim that that it is "way over stated" is not borne out by the actual statistics.
- macinjosh 6y ago
  Your only response to the well known fact that the data has flaws [0,1] is more unspecified statistics. Why should I put any trust in those if I know the death count statistic has clear flaws? I'd rather our society not be directed based on easily manipulated statistics. It cloaks hidden agendas behind the guise of science and math which is dishonest. [0]: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/15/colorado-covid-coronavirus-counting-deaths-fatalities/ https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/15/colorado-covid-coronav... [1]: https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questions-raised-after-fatal-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-covid-19-death https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-questi...