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>Anyone know that if Google/Apple/other private photo storers train on my private photos if they can sell the model to other facial recognition without my speci

>Anyone know that if Google/Apple/other private photo storers train on my private photos if they can sell the model to other facial recognition without my specific identity? The better question is probable "who sells facial recognition identities/services and also has users uploading pictures?" Even if Google, FB, whoever, aren't having the photo's department handing their stuff over to the facial recognition department, they're only a minor shift of priorities or management personalities away from that happening.

prepend 6y ago
I’m not a machine learning programmer, but trained models don’t really have identifying information right? So they wouldn’t even need to hand over any photos or PII, only a trained model that now better identifies specific individuals. What’s really interesting is that any healthcare images can be used without requiring patient permission since training models can be used on a completely HIPAA de-identified image (stripping out any burned in characters, etc).
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- ArnoVW 6y ago
  Arguably, if the model can identify me from a picture, then the model IS "indentifying information" (in the most literal sense). In France, and I believe now in the whole of Europe (GRPD) anyone can ask to remove or correct "identifying information". I wonder if this angle has already been used by someone.
Nasrudith 6y ago
Both in house isn't really necessary - get facial recognition and feed it the others and you have the model you want. Wouldn't government ID photos already contain the missing link of data for facial recognition without any speculative dot connecting? The DMVs have been /actually/ selling your data for years (as opposed to using it to power their advertising model - a pretty crucial difference as illustrated by this). Of course that also depends on what they are stupid or callous enough to include. Webcrawling can be a fertile source - find one profile with real name and photo and you have a mapping. A grey area that was more an embarassment or cost of doing business than a company killer for Clearview.
fencepost 6y ago
There have been minor obstacles to that. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/illinois-facebook-users-to-get-more-than-300-each-in-privacy-settlement/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/illinois-faceboo...

prepend 6y ago

I’m not a machine learning programmer, but trained models don’t really have identifying information right? So they wouldn’t even need to hand over any photos or PII, only a trained model that now better identifies specific individuals. What’s really interesting is that any healthcare images can be used without requiring patient permission since training models can be used on a completely HIPAA de-identified image (stripping out any burned in characters, etc).

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ArnoVW 6y ago
Arguably, if the model can identify me from a picture, then the model IS "indentifying information" (in the most literal sense). In France, and I believe now in the whole of Europe (GRPD) anyone can ask to remove or correct "identifying information". I wonder if this angle has already been used by someone.

Nasrudith 6y ago

Both in house isn't really necessary - get facial recognition and feed it the others and you have the model you want. Wouldn't government ID photos already contain the missing link of data for facial recognition without any speculative dot connecting? The DMVs have been /actually/ selling your data for years (as opposed to using it to power their advertising model - a pretty crucial difference as illustrated by this). Of course that also depends on what they are stupid or callous enough to include. Webcrawling can be a fertile source - find one profile with real name and photo and you have a mapping. A grey area that was more an embarassment or cost of doing business than a company killer for Clearview.

fencepost 6y ago

There have been minor obstacles to that. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/illinois-facebook-users-to-get-more-than-300-each-in-privacy-settlement/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/illinois-faceboo...