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He didn't had the effort to read the article. If not, he will found this : > "In 1968, Epita tore up his communist membership card while watching Soviet tanks

He didn't had the effort to read the article. If not, he will found this : > "In 1968, Epita tore up his communist membership card while watching Soviet tanks crush the Prague Spring on TV." Every body should remember that one thing it's communism and other authoritarian communism regimes. I'm pro-communist, but I'm against any kind of authoritarian government (and so, I see Stalin as a hideous dictator like was Hitler or Franco). And isn't something incompatible, as I believe that some kind of communist democratic government can be possible.

MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
> I'm pro-communist, but I'm against any kind of authoritarian government Communism necessarily implies authoritarian government. What you think you believe in is a false utopianism due to a lack of erudition.
- capableweb 6y ago
  > Communism necessarily implies authoritarian government What? Since when and in what way? The common definition of Communism is where all participants are sharing the ownership of production and trying to remove things like money and financial class. Many ideas in Communism in fact assumes the absence of any kind of central government. Then that the states that have tried "Communism" in modern haven't actually aimed for any of the original goals is less important. But let's not change meaning of words willy nilly like you did here.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    The OP's claim that communism implies authoritarian government is likely based on the concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in Marxism, and this is a quite common view [0]: "In The Road to Serfdom (1944), the Austrian School economist Friedrich Hayek wrote that the dictatorship of the proletariat likely would destroy personal freedom as completely as does an autocracy. The European Commission of Human Rights found pursuing the dictatorship of the proletariat incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights in Communist Party of Germany v. the Federal Republic of Germany (1957)." Of course, Marxism is just one version of communism among several. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletaria...
    - lucian1900 6y ago
      Even that is frequently (and often wilfully) misinterpreted. The dictatorship of the proletariat is contrasted to the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It just means that workers are collectively the ruling class in socialist countries, as opposed to owners (of capital) in capitalist countries.
    - Tossitto 6y ago
      Seems to me like network effects and a command economy would fall well under the definition of authoritarian.
    - MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
      No. To not understand why communism in any shape is at odds with the core principles of the classical liberal western values is to not understand why, right now, you're living in prosperity and freedom. This implies that don't understand the basics of the world you're living in and your own culture. As has become common.
- anthk 6y ago
  Keep gatekeeping a Spaniard where the Libertarian Communism worked in Catalonia. Go on.
offby37years 6y ago
There are only two ways to coordinate human societies at scale: free markets and physical power. Any ideology rejecting free markets is just advocating for power.
- MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
  Naval! Not sure if HN has really gone down the drain, or if this would always have been downvoted. Hypothesis: nerds are bad at politics because they lack intuition for game theory.

MrBuddyCasino 6y ago

> I'm pro-communist, but I'm against any kind of authoritarian government Communism necessarily implies authoritarian government. What you think you believe in is a false utopianism due to a lack of erudition.

capableweb 6y ago
> Communism necessarily implies authoritarian government What? Since when and in what way? The common definition of Communism is where all participants are sharing the ownership of production and trying to remove things like money and financial class. Many ideas in Communism in fact assumes the absence of any kind of central government. Then that the states that have tried "Communism" in modern haven't actually aimed for any of the original goals is less important. But let's not change meaning of words willy nilly like you did here.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  The OP's claim that communism implies authoritarian government is likely based on the concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in Marxism, and this is a quite common view [0]: "In The Road to Serfdom (1944), the Austrian School economist Friedrich Hayek wrote that the dictatorship of the proletariat likely would destroy personal freedom as completely as does an autocracy. The European Commission of Human Rights found pursuing the dictatorship of the proletariat incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights in Communist Party of Germany v. the Federal Republic of Germany (1957)." Of course, Marxism is just one version of communism among several. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletaria...
  - lucian1900 6y ago
    Even that is frequently (and often wilfully) misinterpreted. The dictatorship of the proletariat is contrasted to the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It just means that workers are collectively the ruling class in socialist countries, as opposed to owners (of capital) in capitalist countries.
  - Tossitto 6y ago
    Seems to me like network effects and a command economy would fall well under the definition of authoritarian.
  - MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
    No. To not understand why communism in any shape is at odds with the core principles of the classical liberal western values is to not understand why, right now, you're living in prosperity and freedom. This implies that don't understand the basics of the world you're living in and your own culture. As has become common.
anthk 6y ago
Keep gatekeeping a Spaniard where the Libertarian Communism worked in Catalonia. Go on.

offby37years 6y ago

There are only two ways to coordinate human societies at scale: free markets and physical power. Any ideology rejecting free markets is just advocating for power.

MrBuddyCasino 6y ago
Naval! Not sure if HN has really gone down the drain, or if this would always have been downvoted. Hypothesis: nerds are bad at politics because they lack intuition for game theory.