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> Why are so many commenters just making false knee-jerk claims without paying attention to well established science? I can't find any of this "well establishe

by gzer0 6y ago

> Why are so many commenters just making false knee-jerk claims without paying attention to well established science? I can't find any of this "well established science". Kindly link a primary source.

exporectomy 6y ago
A primary source showing that Greenland was melting since preindustrial times? Really? No, sorry. It's not contentious at all. If you genuinely disagree, then I'll put some effort into it. Or is it something else you're asking for a source for? EDIT: Turns out it is contentious because there are multiple cycles spanning different time periods so we're probably talking about different ones. I'm talking about the general holocene but there's also a separate human caused increased melt rate which is obviously post-industrial.
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  Translation of what you wrote: "I have nothing to back up my false claims, so I'll just splutter in outrage."
  - Stupulous 6y ago
    What you are doing here is not helpful. Yes, the Greenland ice sheet has been melting since before industrialization [1]. Yes, at current rates the ice will take 10,000 years to melt, as long as Jericho has been a city [2]. Productive responses to these claims include: Greenland's rate of melting has dramatically accelerated since industrialization and will likely continue accelerating as atmospheric carbon rises further. and Even losing a small percentage of the ice sheet will have devastating consequences in some regions. These responses have a remote shot at making someone think about their position and whether it makes sense. Snarky answers where you accuse someone of ignorance over their informed claims only make you and your side look bad. I'm on your side, and I don't care for it. [1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/greenland-could-lose-more-ice-this-century-than-it-has-in-12000-years https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/greenland... [2] A little more tricky, sources rightly refuse to assume constant melt rate for their models. We can eyeball this, though. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/greenlands-oldest-ice-melting-fast-180973560/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/greenlands-oldest-... gives amount of ocean rise in the last 8 years (as of 2019) as a quarter inch, and says 25 feet total ocean rise if the whole thing melted. 4 quarter in./in. * 12 in./ft * 25 ft * 8 years = ~9600 years

by gzer0 6y ago

exporectomy 6y ago

A primary source showing that Greenland was melting since preindustrial times? Really? No, sorry. It's not contentious at all. If you genuinely disagree, then I'll put some effort into it. Or is it something else you're asking for a source for? EDIT: Turns out it is contentious because there are multiple cycles spanning different time periods so we're probably talking about different ones. I'm talking about the general holocene but there's also a separate human caused increased melt rate which is obviously post-industrial.

TomSwirly 6y ago
Translation of what you wrote: "I have nothing to back up my false claims, so I'll just splutter in outrage."
- Stupulous 6y ago
  What you are doing here is not helpful. Yes, the Greenland ice sheet has been melting since before industrialization [1]. Yes, at current rates the ice will take 10,000 years to melt, as long as Jericho has been a city [2]. Productive responses to these claims include: Greenland's rate of melting has dramatically accelerated since industrialization and will likely continue accelerating as atmospheric carbon rises further. and Even losing a small percentage of the ice sheet will have devastating consequences in some regions. These responses have a remote shot at making someone think about their position and whether it makes sense. Snarky answers where you accuse someone of ignorance over their informed claims only make you and your side look bad. I'm on your side, and I don't care for it. [1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/greenland-could-lose-more-ice-this-century-than-it-has-in-12000-years https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/greenland... [2] A little more tricky, sources rightly refuse to assume constant melt rate for their models. We can eyeball this, though. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/greenlands-oldest-ice-melting-fast-180973560/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/greenlands-oldest-... gives amount of ocean rise in the last 8 years (as of 2019) as a quarter inch, and says 25 feet total ocean rise if the whole thing melted. 4 quarter in./in. * 12 in./ft * 25 ft * 8 years = ~9600 years