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I think it's really weird how you still act like you have any qualification in this arena.

prophesi 6y ago
I’m going to go out on a limb and say I’ve probably meditated for a lot longer than you. I highly recommend The Mind Illuminated. Edit: oops sorry for actually clarifying why I may be an expert on this subject
- seigando 6y ago
  yeah dude, you are going way out on a limb there. But wait...you've done a whole lot of dissociative practices? So basically you're totally dissociated from reality? (to put things in your own words) So again...why would I care? edit: also, just in case anybody takes this charlatan at his word and does decide to read 'the mind illuminated' know that many of the author's followers demonstrate cult-like behavior, as well as disillusionment with his claims after it broke that he had been deceptive to his community about his sexual affairs.
  - prophesi 6y ago
    We’re finally getting to where the rub is! For one, I don’t think disassociating is a _bad_ thing. Psychedelics (and ketamine in particular) can be very therapeutic for their disassociative properties. This also transfers over to meditation. But people need to be aware of it; meditation isn’t a cure-all and can induce a psychotic breakdown if you’re susceptible to them. I’m thankfully not in that camp, and it will take most people who _are_ susceptible a long time before such a breakdown occurs (like a weeklong vipassana retreat). I know you don’t care, but it’s fun to share what one has learned. Edit: also had no idea about the author’s affair. That’s unfortunate. I’ve learned a lot from professors with terrible home lives though.
    - seigando 6y ago
      Yeah, but those professors weren't claiming to be shining examples of ethics or practices that were supposed to lead to ethical behavior. Anyways, basically your point is that meditation is like drugs in that it gets you high and helps you check out? Wow, how profound, definitely somebody I would give control of my life over to.
      - prophesi 6y ago
        Erm, neither was the author of The Mind Illuminated. It’s literally just a textbook for how to meditate for western audiences. I’m not sure how you got that from my comment. Not even sure what you mean by that last sentence. I’m sorry that even mentioning a substance had you jump to such conclusions.
        seigando 6y ago
        >Erm, neither was the author of The Mind Illuminated. It’s literally just a textbook for how to meditate for western audiences. Now you're coming across like you haven't read the very book that you recommend. >I’m not sure how you got that from my comment. Not even sure what you mean by that last sentence. I’m sorry that even mentioning a substance had you jump to such conclusions. Reread the comment I replied to.
        prophesi 6y ago
        We're this far into the thread and you've yet to tell me why I'm so wrong, and why you're the guru. Edit: oops sorry for asking why your opinion matters and mine doesn't
        seigando 6y ago
        >you've yet to tell me why I'm so wrong You're wrong about this. Maybe I haven't done it as explicitly as you want, but that's the point. For such a great 'meditator' you pay too much attention to your own thoughts.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say I’ve probably meditated for a lot longer than you. I highly recommend The Mind Illuminated. Edit: oops sorry for actually clarifying why I may be an expert on this subject

seigando 6y ago
yeah dude, you are going way out on a limb there. But wait...you've done a whole lot of dissociative practices? So basically you're totally dissociated from reality? (to put things in your own words) So again...why would I care? edit: also, just in case anybody takes this charlatan at his word and does decide to read 'the mind illuminated' know that many of the author's followers demonstrate cult-like behavior, as well as disillusionment with his claims after it broke that he had been deceptive to his community about his sexual affairs.
- prophesi 6y ago
  We’re finally getting to where the rub is! For one, I don’t think disassociating is a _bad_ thing. Psychedelics (and ketamine in particular) can be very therapeutic for their disassociative properties. This also transfers over to meditation. But people need to be aware of it; meditation isn’t a cure-all and can induce a psychotic breakdown if you’re susceptible to them. I’m thankfully not in that camp, and it will take most people who _are_ susceptible a long time before such a breakdown occurs (like a weeklong vipassana retreat). I know you don’t care, but it’s fun to share what one has learned. Edit: also had no idea about the author’s affair. That’s unfortunate. I’ve learned a lot from professors with terrible home lives though.
  - seigando 6y ago
    Yeah, but those professors weren't claiming to be shining examples of ethics or practices that were supposed to lead to ethical behavior. Anyways, basically your point is that meditation is like drugs in that it gets you high and helps you check out? Wow, how profound, definitely somebody I would give control of my life over to.
    - prophesi 6y ago
      Erm, neither was the author of The Mind Illuminated. It’s literally just a textbook for how to meditate for western audiences. I’m not sure how you got that from my comment. Not even sure what you mean by that last sentence. I’m sorry that even mentioning a substance had you jump to such conclusions.
      - seigando 6y ago
        >Erm, neither was the author of The Mind Illuminated. It’s literally just a textbook for how to meditate for western audiences. Now you're coming across like you haven't read the very book that you recommend. >I’m not sure how you got that from my comment. Not even sure what you mean by that last sentence. I’m sorry that even mentioning a substance had you jump to such conclusions. Reread the comment I replied to.
        prophesi 6y ago
        We're this far into the thread and you've yet to tell me why I'm so wrong, and why you're the guru. Edit: oops sorry for asking why your opinion matters and mine doesn't
        seigando 6y ago
        >you've yet to tell me why I'm so wrong You're wrong about this. Maybe I haven't done it as explicitly as you want, but that's the point. For such a great 'meditator' you pay too much attention to your own thoughts.