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Is there a use case for Eclipse that VS/VSC doesn’t outperform it at?

by jimbob45 6y ago

skinkestek 6y ago
Refactoring? Speeding up Maven compiles?
deleted 6y ago
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thrower123 6y ago
IntelliJ is probably the better comparison. It's not free, but for $100/year or whatever it is, it's worth it to not have to use Eclipse.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  So why pay for turning the laptop into an airplane getting ready for take off, lack of incremental compilation, no support for mixed language debugging with JNI, 10 key combos, having to explicitly search issues (inspections), no javadoc tooltips by default?
  - thrower123 6y ago
    None of that is accurate, in my experience of using it, but go on...
- Someone 6y ago
  For those who don’t know: there is a free Apache licensed version of IntelliJ. It’s usable for Java/scala development, but lacks features. Feature comparison at https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_.... And “whatever it is” is $499 for the first, $399 for the second, and $299 for later years (https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl...)
  - Sindisil 6y ago
    That is the institutional pricing. The individual price for Ultimate Edition is $149 the first year, $119 the second consecutive year, and $89 a year from then on.
Skhalar 6y ago
Defense industry.
Zardoz84 6y ago
a complex project where there is multiple maven projects
jbullock35 6y ago
R with StatET?
legerdemain 6y ago
Yes, not having to install and integrate 5-6 workflow plugins of questionable provenance to have acceptable devex out of the box.
- thrower123 6y ago
  How are you able to use Eclipse without installing 5-6 plugins of questionable provenance and quality?
  - legerdemain 6y ago
    Because Eclipse is an IDE, and at least for Java, it just works out of the box with default configuration. And that includes popular build tool integration, code execution, step-through debugging, version control, and a bunch of other stuff. In the world of VSC, this stuff requires figuring out which tool the community recommends, configuring it, and making sure that all the things you chose actually work together.
brnt 6y ago
My first and only interaction with Java was a short project. I installed Eclipse and had a prototype with GUI at the end of the day. I was an inexperienced programmer with zero Java experience at the start of the day, and I credit Eclipse with much of my onboarding.
sitzkrieg 6y ago
embedded developement full blown ides. almost all of them are eclipse bundles and reskins. except microchip mplabx, which is netbeans. there is platformio for vscode in same vane but kind of a hodgepodge dog
dopidopHN 6y ago
I had to pull a all nighter on my personal machine to impress a job prospect. The project was in a mix of java/scala, I use both at work with Eclipse on my work machine. On a whim, I decided to give VsCode a spin, since I don't code java for fun there was no IDE for it on my personal machine. I spent the night pesting at VsCode. Many very basic things require a plugin, and some are not present. Will not use again to do Java. I like it for python.

Is there a use case for Eclipse that VS/VSC doesn’t outperform it at?

skinkestek 6y ago

Refactoring? Speeding up Maven compiles?

deleted 6y ago

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thrower123 6y ago

IntelliJ is probably the better comparison. It's not free, but for $100/year or whatever it is, it's worth it to not have to use Eclipse.

pjmlp 6y ago
So why pay for turning the laptop into an airplane getting ready for take off, lack of incremental compilation, no support for mixed language debugging with JNI, 10 key combos, having to explicitly search issues (inspections), no javadoc tooltips by default?
- thrower123 6y ago
  None of that is accurate, in my experience of using it, but go on...
Someone 6y ago
For those who don’t know: there is a free Apache licensed version of IntelliJ. It’s usable for Java/scala development, but lacks features. Feature comparison at https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_.... And “whatever it is” is $499 for the first, $399 for the second, and $299 for later years (https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl...)
- Sindisil 6y ago
  That is the institutional pricing. The individual price for Ultimate Edition is $149 the first year, $119 the second consecutive year, and $89 a year from then on.

Skhalar 6y ago

Defense industry.

Zardoz84 6y ago

a complex project where there is multiple maven projects

jbullock35 6y ago

R with StatET?

legerdemain 6y ago

Yes, not having to install and integrate 5-6 workflow plugins of questionable provenance to have acceptable devex out of the box.

thrower123 6y ago
How are you able to use Eclipse without installing 5-6 plugins of questionable provenance and quality?
- legerdemain 6y ago
  Because Eclipse is an IDE, and at least for Java, it just works out of the box with default configuration. And that includes popular build tool integration, code execution, step-through debugging, version control, and a bunch of other stuff. In the world of VSC, this stuff requires figuring out which tool the community recommends, configuring it, and making sure that all the things you chose actually work together.

brnt 6y ago

My first and only interaction with Java was a short project. I installed Eclipse and had a prototype with GUI at the end of the day. I was an inexperienced programmer with zero Java experience at the start of the day, and I credit Eclipse with much of my onboarding.

sitzkrieg 6y ago

embedded developement full blown ides. almost all of them are eclipse bundles and reskins. except microchip mplabx, which is netbeans. there is platformio for vscode in same vane but kind of a hodgepodge dog

dopidopHN 6y ago

I had to pull a all nighter on my personal machine to impress a job prospect. The project was in a mix of java/scala, I use both at work with Eclipse on my work machine. On a whim, I decided to give VsCode a spin, since I don't code java for fun there was no IDE for it on my personal machine. I spent the night pesting at VsCode. Many very basic things require a plugin, and some are not present. Will not use again to do Java. I like it for python.