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Having an Eclipse release sit on HN for 3 hours with zero comments seems like the most accurate depiction of the market's current feelings towards Eclipse...

dig1 6y ago
boring == stable, and I'm perfectly fine with that for serious projects. I'll leave to hipsters to pave new paths, and I'm going to learn from their mistakes ;)
- serverholic 6y ago
  Lol at this point we are way past hipsters paving new paths. The paths are established and have been for awhile.
  - dig1 6y ago
    Speaks like a true foot soldier. I'm very grateful for your service; we always need fresh meat :D
  - mbreese 6y ago
    > The paths are established and have been for awhile I'd rather say that old paths keep getting rediscovered. Such is the cyclic way of tech. There are always new "hipsters" that are freshly paving old paths, putting their unique spin on it.
    - jlengrand 6y ago
      Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eclipse come back into fashion in a couple years :D. Maybe in the form of Che. Who knows. Things come and go.
Alupis 6y ago
Plenty of people use Eclipse for their daily-driver. 2021-03 has been out for merely hours and already has clocked up over 11K downloads[1]. That, of course, doesn't count all the people happily using a previous version. Eclipse itself has certainly improved dramatically in the last couple years. Speed, UI, Installation, etc. Lots of polish going into it... [1] https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/ https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/
rbut 6y ago
Not really. Eclipse has been my daily driver for python and web development the past 12 years. Every time I try another IDE, I find myself missing features that PyDev does so well, and end up going back.
jimbob45 6y ago
Is there a use case for Eclipse that VS/VSC doesn’t outperform it at?
- skinkestek 6y ago
  Refactoring? Speeding up Maven compiles?
- deleted 6y ago
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- thrower123 6y ago
  IntelliJ is probably the better comparison. It's not free, but for $100/year or whatever it is, it's worth it to not have to use Eclipse.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    So why pay for turning the laptop into an airplane getting ready for take off, lack of incremental compilation, no support for mixed language debugging with JNI, 10 key combos, having to explicitly search issues (inspections), no javadoc tooltips by default?
    - thrower123 6y ago
      None of that is accurate, in my experience of using it, but go on...
  - Someone 6y ago
    For those who don’t know: there is a free Apache licensed version of IntelliJ. It’s usable for Java/scala development, but lacks features. Feature comparison at https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_.... And “whatever it is” is $499 for the first, $399 for the second, and $299 for later years (https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl...)
BenoitP 6y ago
That's actually par for the course for a lot of Java content, and that's ok. I'm not the youngest developer, and I like to see content on my steady bread-winner so I upvote it. Java is in a mature phase, so there are not a lot of surprises, and things to discuss. Even the shiny new things that make the platform unique like Loom have been years in the making. Just Java being Java, where 'boring' is what you actually want from it.
Nicksil 6y ago
>Having an Eclipse release sit on HN for 3 hours with zero comments seems like the most accurate depiction of the market's current feelings towards Eclipse... This is a really strange observation. Do a search here on HN for the Visual Studio Code editor and you'll find a number of posts with 0 comments. I use that editor as an example as it seems to be among what's popular at the moment. I don't think you can derive much from the number of comments a post has after 3 hours. Some of the more popular posts on HN exist after the link had been submitted a number of times prior.
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albertopv 6y ago
Any recent (2y) Eclipse release with Darkest Dark theme is pretty good for me. Tried Intellij, VS Code... still prefer Eclipse. Maybe I'm just getting old.
pjmlp 6y ago
Happy Eclipse and NetBeans user for what concerns Java development. I rather suck it up and use Electron for Java development (VSCode + Microsoft/Red-Hat plugins) than having to deal with InteliJ.
- jacques_chester 6y ago
  Well then, good news! Jetbrains Projector enables Swing apps to run as Electron apps: https://lp.jetbrains.com/projector/ https://lp.jetbrains.com/projector/
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    You missed the point that I have to be paid to use InteliJ.
    - jacques_chester 6y ago
      No, I got that you don't like either IntelliJ or VS Code. But I saw the narrow gap for a joke and decided to wiggle through.
  - heyoni 6y ago
    How do you even find that on their website? I don't see it anywhere!
    - jacques_chester 6y ago
      It was announced on the blog (https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/03/11/projector-is-out/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/03/11/projector-is-out/). The actual website is surprisingly tricky to find, doesn't seem to have climbed google indices yet.
Scarbutt 6y ago
Same as every Clojure post.

dig1 6y ago

boring == stable, and I'm perfectly fine with that for serious projects. I'll leave to hipsters to pave new paths, and I'm going to learn from their mistakes ;)

serverholic 6y ago
Lol at this point we are way past hipsters paving new paths. The paths are established and have been for awhile.
- dig1 6y ago
  Speaks like a true foot soldier. I'm very grateful for your service; we always need fresh meat :D
- mbreese 6y ago
  > The paths are established and have been for awhile I'd rather say that old paths keep getting rediscovered. Such is the cyclic way of tech. There are always new "hipsters" that are freshly paving old paths, putting their unique spin on it.
  - jlengrand 6y ago
    Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised to see Eclipse come back into fashion in a couple years :D. Maybe in the form of Che. Who knows. Things come and go.

Alupis 6y ago

Plenty of people use Eclipse for their daily-driver. 2021-03 has been out for merely hours and already has clocked up over 11K downloads[1]. That, of course, doesn't count all the people happily using a previous version. Eclipse itself has certainly improved dramatically in the last couple years. Speed, UI, Installation, etc. Lots of polish going into it... [1] https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/ https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/

rbut 6y ago

Not really. Eclipse has been my daily driver for python and web development the past 12 years. Every time I try another IDE, I find myself missing features that PyDev does so well, and end up going back.

jimbob45 6y ago

Is there a use case for Eclipse that VS/VSC doesn’t outperform it at?

skinkestek 6y ago
Refactoring? Speeding up Maven compiles?
deleted 6y ago
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thrower123 6y ago
IntelliJ is probably the better comparison. It's not free, but for $100/year or whatever it is, it's worth it to not have to use Eclipse.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  So why pay for turning the laptop into an airplane getting ready for take off, lack of incremental compilation, no support for mixed language debugging with JNI, 10 key combos, having to explicitly search issues (inspections), no javadoc tooltips by default?
  - thrower123 6y ago
    None of that is accurate, in my experience of using it, but go on...
- Someone 6y ago
  For those who don’t know: there is a free Apache licensed version of IntelliJ. It’s usable for Java/scala development, but lacks features. Feature comparison at https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_.... And “whatever it is” is $499 for the first, $399 for the second, and $299 for later years (https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/#commercial?billing=yearl...)

BenoitP 6y ago

That's actually par for the course for a lot of Java content, and that's ok. I'm not the youngest developer, and I like to see content on my steady bread-winner so I upvote it. Java is in a mature phase, so there are not a lot of surprises, and things to discuss. Even the shiny new things that make the platform unique like Loom have been years in the making. Just Java being Java, where 'boring' is what you actually want from it.

Nicksil 6y ago

>Having an Eclipse release sit on HN for 3 hours with zero comments seems like the most accurate depiction of the market's current feelings towards Eclipse... This is a really strange observation. Do a search here on HN for the Visual Studio Code editor and you'll find a number of posts with 0 comments. I use that editor as an example as it seems to be among what's popular at the moment. I don't think you can derive much from the number of comments a post has after 3 hours. Some of the more popular posts on HN exist after the link had been submitted a number of times prior.

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albertopv 6y ago

Any recent (2y) Eclipse release with Darkest Dark theme is pretty good for me. Tried Intellij, VS Code... still prefer Eclipse. Maybe I'm just getting old.

pjmlp 6y ago

Happy Eclipse and NetBeans user for what concerns Java development. I rather suck it up and use Electron for Java development (VSCode + Microsoft/Red-Hat plugins) than having to deal with InteliJ.

jacques_chester 6y ago
Well then, good news! Jetbrains Projector enables Swing apps to run as Electron apps: https://lp.jetbrains.com/projector/ https://lp.jetbrains.com/projector/
- pjmlp 6y ago
  You missed the point that I have to be paid to use InteliJ.
  - jacques_chester 6y ago
    No, I got that you don't like either IntelliJ or VS Code. But I saw the narrow gap for a joke and decided to wiggle through.
- heyoni 6y ago
  How do you even find that on their website? I don't see it anywhere!
  - jacques_chester 6y ago
    It was announced on the blog (https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/03/11/projector-is-out/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/03/11/projector-is-out/). The actual website is surprisingly tricky to find, doesn't seem to have climbed google indices yet.

Scarbutt 6y ago

Same as every Clojure post.