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It doesn't sound like you're familiar with how lightning works. It doesn't have to be "synced with the chain" except during channel opening and closing, which o

It doesn't sound like you're familiar with how lightning works. It doesn't have to be "synced with the chain" except during channel opening and closing, which occur infrequently (like on the scale of weeks or months). > ethereum and bitcoin cash already have more transactions than bitcoin The eth blockchain is untenably huge (good luck running an ethereum full node), and ethereum fees are often higher than Bitcoin fees.

CyberDildonics 6y ago
> The eth blockchain is untenably huge (good luck running an ethereum full node) No blockchains are anywhere close to "untenably huge". The ethereum chain is 639.43 GB. https://bitinfocharts.com/ https://bitinfocharts.com/ A $10 USD VPS could sync with that in under two hours. That is about $12 USD of hard drive space after 5 years. This is about the same as downloading the five to eight largest games on steam. > and ethereum fees are often higher than Bitcoin fees. No they aren't. They are about the same, making them both unusable for normal transactions, but it should be obvious there are no technical limitations to making larger and/or more frequent blocks since ethereum does it already. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-eth.html#3m https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-eth... > It doesn't have to be "synced with the chain" except during channel opening and closing, which occur infrequently (like on the scale of weeks or months). Which means that no one can use that balance for weeks or months and some third party has to spot people the money in the mean time. That sounds like a credit card. Know what doesn't work like that? On chain transactions.
- centimeter 6y ago
  > The ethereum chain is 639.43 GB. False. This is for some sort of pruned SPV node or something. A full node takes multiple terabytes. Even the fastest implementations take days to sync, if you're lucky. https://tjayrush.medium.com/building-your-own-ethereum-archive-node-72c014affc09 https://tjayrush.medium.com/building-your-own-ethereum-archi... > Which means that no one can use that balance for weeks or months You clearly have no idea how lightning works, so why do you keep commenting as if you do? Nothing about this claim is true.
  - CyberDildonics 6y ago
    The difference is that what I linked actually backs up what I said. Did you even read what you linked? It says "We’ve long ago depreciated the cost of the machines. The ongoing cost of running these machines is negligible." Does that sound "untenably" large? > Even the fastest implementations take days to sync You realize it has been going for five years right? > You clearly have no idea how lightning works, so why do you keep commenting as if you do? Nothing about this claim is true. Your evidence of <<nothing at all>> is pretty weak. You basically replied to say "nuh uh". In other comments you claim that certain things don't work when other people point out there there are many examples of it working already. How exactly does someone who gets a balance on a 3rd party lightning channel use that money on the main chain without syncing with the chain? Until they get it on the chain it isn't a bitcoin balance and to make that transaction is going to cost a significant amount.

CyberDildonics 6y ago

> The eth blockchain is untenably huge (good luck running an ethereum full node) No blockchains are anywhere close to "untenably huge". The ethereum chain is 639.43 GB. https://bitinfocharts.com/ https://bitinfocharts.com/ A $10 USD VPS could sync with that in under two hours. That is about $12 USD of hard drive space after 5 years. This is about the same as downloading the five to eight largest games on steam. > and ethereum fees are often higher than Bitcoin fees. No they aren't. They are about the same, making them both unusable for normal transactions, but it should be obvious there are no technical limitations to making larger and/or more frequent blocks since ethereum does it already. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-eth.html#3m https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-eth... > It doesn't have to be "synced with the chain" except during channel opening and closing, which occur infrequently (like on the scale of weeks or months). Which means that no one can use that balance for weeks or months and some third party has to spot people the money in the mean time. That sounds like a credit card. Know what doesn't work like that? On chain transactions.

centimeter 6y ago
> The ethereum chain is 639.43 GB. False. This is for some sort of pruned SPV node or something. A full node takes multiple terabytes. Even the fastest implementations take days to sync, if you're lucky. https://tjayrush.medium.com/building-your-own-ethereum-archive-node-72c014affc09 https://tjayrush.medium.com/building-your-own-ethereum-archi... > Which means that no one can use that balance for weeks or months You clearly have no idea how lightning works, so why do you keep commenting as if you do? Nothing about this claim is true.
- CyberDildonics 6y ago
  The difference is that what I linked actually backs up what I said. Did you even read what you linked? It says "We’ve long ago depreciated the cost of the machines. The ongoing cost of running these machines is negligible." Does that sound "untenably" large? > Even the fastest implementations take days to sync You realize it has been going for five years right? > You clearly have no idea how lightning works, so why do you keep commenting as if you do? Nothing about this claim is true. Your evidence of <<nothing at all>> is pretty weak. You basically replied to say "nuh uh". In other comments you claim that certain things don't work when other people point out there there are many examples of it working already. How exactly does someone who gets a balance on a 3rd party lightning channel use that money on the main chain without syncing with the chain? Until they get it on the chain it isn't a bitcoin balance and to make that transaction is going to cost a significant amount.