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I fully support this lady’s “right to say dumb shit on the internet”, but if Gina Carano can be fired by Disney for her tweets, so can she (who actually wasn’t

I fully support this lady’s “right to say dumb shit on the internet”, but if Gina Carano can be fired by Disney for her tweets, so can she (who actually wasn’t even fired). Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences.

dariusj18 6y ago
Gina Carano is an actress. Image is her business. She wasn't really fired for the content of her tweet, but for her inability to maintain her image.
longerthoughts 6y ago
was this really about whether or not Figma had a right to fire her if they’d decided to? afaict the intended point was that Sprinklr exposed themselves as insecure and vindictive over something relatively small and still haven’t been able to let it go.
minimaxir 6y ago
There's a difference between being fired for an innocuous negative joke about a company and being fired for transphobia and antisemitism.
- brianberns 6y ago
  Of course there is, but the relevant similarity is that both cases caused a negative impact on their respective employers from actual and/or prospective customers. Employers have every right to dislike that.
- yanderekko 6y ago
  Right, as long as you can pretextually (very pretextually, in the Gina Carano case) justify your outrage as "punching up" along those lines, you're fine! The OP clearly understands this as well, as she repeatedly stresses that the person who was upset with her was both male and likely richer than her (I'll assume that he wasn't white, or else that likely would have been mentioned as well) - therefore any sort of negative action against her would be unjustifiable since there's no "punching up" narrative, and if he ends up being punished then we can celebrate.
  - longerthoughts 6y ago
    > I'll assume that he wasn't white, or else that likely would have been mentioned as well you are wrong. he is.
  - restingrobot 6y ago
    Boom, hit the nail on the head. There is absolutely no other reason to include this information in the blog other than to set up this (lack of) narrative.
- oh_sigh 6y ago
  This is never a message I would post in a non-anonymous forum, because of fear of retaliation and being likewise labeled an antisemite and antitrans person. If someone says that "We in group X have it as bad as the Jews did in Nazi Germany", that doesn't really sound antisemitic to me. It is probably representative of a vast misunderstanding of history, but nothing about the statement says that she hates Jews. Likewise, if you say that you think it is silly to be forced to label yourself with your pronouns, that isn't really transphobic in my mind. You can be perfectly okay with trans people, but not like the idea of being socially forcing 99.4% of the population to label themselves for the benefit of 0.6% of the population. Anyways, I didn't even realize pronoun labeling was about trans, I assumed it was more for non-binary people. "I may look like a male and present as a male, but don't you dare use 'he/him' on me, I am a 'they/them', because I am one of the few to contain multitudes"
  - yanderekko 6y ago
    >If someone says that "We in group X have it as bad as the Jews did in Nazi Germany", that doesn't really sound antisemitic to me. I'll note that what Carano did was actually weaker - she just said that tribal hatred motivated the persecution of Jews and that tribal hatred was also leading to the persecution of Republicans. Her critics were more than happy to prove her correct. She never claimed that Republicans were being treated as poorly as Jews in Nazi Germany, just that the ugly impulses that lead to one sort of persecution were also motivating another. The most-repugnant part of her cancellation is the implicit double-standard wherein progressives are claiming cultural ownership of Nazi/Holocaust metaphors - when they use them to describe Republicans it's fine, but when Republicans try to create analogies it's presumptively anti-Semitic since it denigrates the horrors of the Holocaust.

dariusj18 6y ago

Gina Carano is an actress. Image is her business. She wasn't really fired for the content of her tweet, but for her inability to maintain her image.

longerthoughts 6y ago

was this really about whether or not Figma had a right to fire her if they’d decided to? afaict the intended point was that Sprinklr exposed themselves as insecure and vindictive over something relatively small and still haven’t been able to let it go.

minimaxir 6y ago

There's a difference between being fired for an innocuous negative joke about a company and being fired for transphobia and antisemitism.

brianberns 6y ago
Of course there is, but the relevant similarity is that both cases caused a negative impact on their respective employers from actual and/or prospective customers. Employers have every right to dislike that.
yanderekko 6y ago
Right, as long as you can pretextually (very pretextually, in the Gina Carano case) justify your outrage as "punching up" along those lines, you're fine! The OP clearly understands this as well, as she repeatedly stresses that the person who was upset with her was both male and likely richer than her (I'll assume that he wasn't white, or else that likely would have been mentioned as well) - therefore any sort of negative action against her would be unjustifiable since there's no "punching up" narrative, and if he ends up being punished then we can celebrate.
- longerthoughts 6y ago
  > I'll assume that he wasn't white, or else that likely would have been mentioned as well you are wrong. he is.
- restingrobot 6y ago
  Boom, hit the nail on the head. There is absolutely no other reason to include this information in the blog other than to set up this (lack of) narrative.
oh_sigh 6y ago
This is never a message I would post in a non-anonymous forum, because of fear of retaliation and being likewise labeled an antisemite and antitrans person. If someone says that "We in group X have it as bad as the Jews did in Nazi Germany", that doesn't really sound antisemitic to me. It is probably representative of a vast misunderstanding of history, but nothing about the statement says that she hates Jews. Likewise, if you say that you think it is silly to be forced to label yourself with your pronouns, that isn't really transphobic in my mind. You can be perfectly okay with trans people, but not like the idea of being socially forcing 99.4% of the population to label themselves for the benefit of 0.6% of the population. Anyways, I didn't even realize pronoun labeling was about trans, I assumed it was more for non-binary people. "I may look like a male and present as a male, but don't you dare use 'he/him' on me, I am a 'they/them', because I am one of the few to contain multitudes"
- yanderekko 6y ago
  >If someone says that "We in group X have it as bad as the Jews did in Nazi Germany", that doesn't really sound antisemitic to me. I'll note that what Carano did was actually weaker - she just said that tribal hatred motivated the persecution of Jews and that tribal hatred was also leading to the persecution of Republicans. Her critics were more than happy to prove her correct. She never claimed that Republicans were being treated as poorly as Jews in Nazi Germany, just that the ugly impulses that lead to one sort of persecution were also motivating another. The most-repugnant part of her cancellation is the implicit double-standard wherein progressives are claiming cultural ownership of Nazi/Holocaust metaphors - when they use them to describe Republicans it's fine, but when Republicans try to create analogies it's presumptively anti-Semitic since it denigrates the horrors of the Holocaust.