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The parent post is saying that it's pointless to call this bullshit and complain about what other people are upset about. It's also saying that changing team na

The parent post is saying that it's pointless to call this bullshit and complain about what other people are upset about. It's also saying that changing team names reduces racism as it stops people from performing racist actions that have been built into showing team support. It's not misdirection. It's just that these are issues you personally don't care about.

clairity 6y ago
the misdirection isn't the name change itself, which is trivial in every sense of the word, it's the bullshit discussion around it. to continue focusing on it after the fact is the misdirection, keeping us from discussing substantive issues, like actual systemic, structural barriers to prosperity and equality of opportunity.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  What makes the discussion bullshit? It's a hurtful name. It's good for society to recognize and discuss that.
  - clairity 6y ago
    names don't hurt. how we respond is what can hurt, how we allow words to infect us. but we have brains that can rationalize that away, make us defiant and resilient against it. we're literally talking about the trivialities of 5 year olds when we talk so incessantly about names. what really hurts is, for instance, decades of redlining and systemic bias in politics, economics, education, nutrition, medicine, and a myriad of other daily, real issues that affect the lives of millions of americans, and billions of people worldwide. this discussion is bullshit because we are not talking about those things. it's a misdirection.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      Plenty of people are talking about those things. It's not either or. Names do hurt. Does blackface hurt? That's essentially what having a team called the Redskins is. It's important to talk about how mass media and the mainstream will accept openly racist symbols. In the case of Native Americans it's also important to talk about how they went through a barely recognized genocide and have been systematically discriminated against in a major way.
      - why_Mr_Anderson 6y ago
        It's important to learn about it, but being completely obsessed about the issue and view everything from its perspective is counter-productive. It's really an American thing, because many European nations went through similar experiences multiple times.
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        > It's really an American thing, because many European nations went through similar experiences multiple times. It’s not even legal to talk about Nazis in Germany. Imagine the uproar if a sports team was named after a caricature of Jewish people? People just want some basic dignity. The only people “obsessed” are those refusing to give it to them.
wernercd 6y ago
"racist actions" but a vast VAST majority of Indians don't find it racist. When everything is racist? nothing is. That's the key problem with all of these diatribe's. Anything you disagree with is "racist actions" and thus real racist actions are lost in the sea of BS about team names and Aunt Jemima syrup.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  That’s not true at all. It’s widely accepted these things are racist. I already posted the support for the name change by many Native communities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_name_change_advocates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_...

clairity 6y ago

the misdirection isn't the name change itself, which is trivial in every sense of the word, it's the bullshit discussion around it. to continue focusing on it after the fact is the misdirection, keeping us from discussing substantive issues, like actual systemic, structural barriers to prosperity and equality of opportunity.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
What makes the discussion bullshit? It's a hurtful name. It's good for society to recognize and discuss that.
- clairity 6y ago
  names don't hurt. how we respond is what can hurt, how we allow words to infect us. but we have brains that can rationalize that away, make us defiant and resilient against it. we're literally talking about the trivialities of 5 year olds when we talk so incessantly about names. what really hurts is, for instance, decades of redlining and systemic bias in politics, economics, education, nutrition, medicine, and a myriad of other daily, real issues that affect the lives of millions of americans, and billions of people worldwide. this discussion is bullshit because we are not talking about those things. it's a misdirection.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    Plenty of people are talking about those things. It's not either or. Names do hurt. Does blackface hurt? That's essentially what having a team called the Redskins is. It's important to talk about how mass media and the mainstream will accept openly racist symbols. In the case of Native Americans it's also important to talk about how they went through a barely recognized genocide and have been systematically discriminated against in a major way.
    - why_Mr_Anderson 6y ago
      It's important to learn about it, but being completely obsessed about the issue and view everything from its perspective is counter-productive. It's really an American thing, because many European nations went through similar experiences multiple times.
      - solosoyokaze 6y ago
        > It's really an American thing, because many European nations went through similar experiences multiple times. It’s not even legal to talk about Nazis in Germany. Imagine the uproar if a sports team was named after a caricature of Jewish people? People just want some basic dignity. The only people “obsessed” are those refusing to give it to them.

wernercd 6y ago

"racist actions" but a vast VAST majority of Indians don't find it racist. When everything is racist? nothing is. That's the key problem with all of these diatribe's. Anything you disagree with is "racist actions" and thus real racist actions are lost in the sea of BS about team names and Aunt Jemima syrup.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
That’s not true at all. It’s widely accepted these things are racist. I already posted the support for the name change by many Native communities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_name_change_advocates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_...