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So, I'm left scratching my head. Wouldn't it be better and more consistent to adopt veganism to avoid the climate change, pandemic, resource intensity, and ani

So, I'm left scratching my head. Wouldn't it be better and more consistent to adopt veganism to avoid the climate change, pandemic, resource intensity, and animal cruelty risks rather than "make internal combustion engines more efficient"? There are many other livelihoods.

boxed 6y ago
Telling the most poor people that are already threatened by malnutrition to give up their cow isn't a very good idea.
- airhead969 6y ago
  Never said that. Then trade with them or help them.
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- diroussel 6y ago
  The most poor people can not afford meat. Or if they can, access to meat is not required to treat malnutrition. Meat is also unhygienic without refrigeration, and the source of parasites in many hotter climates. Edit: sorry I see now you didn’t mean for eating. But for dairy. Yes, access to a cow for dairy is definitely a good thing. :-)
dec0dedab0de 6y ago
Wouldn't it be better and more consistent to adopt veganism to avoid the climate change, pandemic, resource intensity, and animal cruelty risks rather than "make internal combustion engines more efficient"? There are many other livelihoods. I dont see how any of those things would be helped by veganism, except for animal cruelty. That is if you don't count pest animals, and humans. I would 100% get behind outlawing factory farming of animals, and maybe that would lead to more vegans if prices rise, but not the opposite. I know the argument for vegans helping climate change, but I'm pretty sure it only holds up if you eat local plants that are grown and processed in a way that is safe for the environment. That is to say most common vegan diets are worse for the environment. This is because the food is traveling farther, weighs more per calorie, uses more pesticides, and in many cases more water and land. With shipping of the food being the worst part of the pipeline for any diet. So making engines more efficient, or finding a better mode of shipment, is a much better use of resources regarding climate change.
- Doxin 6y ago
  Eating meat is only more efficient if you forget to calculate in the food your meat needs to eat and drink. If you include those there's wildly more water and transport involved in meat production than in plant production.

boxed 6y ago

Telling the most poor people that are already threatened by malnutrition to give up their cow isn't a very good idea.

airhead969 6y ago
Never said that. Then trade with them or help them.
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diroussel 6y ago
The most poor people can not afford meat. Or if they can, access to meat is not required to treat malnutrition. Meat is also unhygienic without refrigeration, and the source of parasites in many hotter climates. Edit: sorry I see now you didn’t mean for eating. But for dairy. Yes, access to a cow for dairy is definitely a good thing. :-)

dec0dedab0de 6y ago

Wouldn't it be better and more consistent to adopt veganism to avoid the climate change, pandemic, resource intensity, and animal cruelty risks rather than "make internal combustion engines more efficient"? There are many other livelihoods. I dont see how any of those things would be helped by veganism, except for animal cruelty. That is if you don't count pest animals, and humans. I would 100% get behind outlawing factory farming of animals, and maybe that would lead to more vegans if prices rise, but not the opposite. I know the argument for vegans helping climate change, but I'm pretty sure it only holds up if you eat local plants that are grown and processed in a way that is safe for the environment. That is to say most common vegan diets are worse for the environment. This is because the food is traveling farther, weighs more per calorie, uses more pesticides, and in many cases more water and land. With shipping of the food being the worst part of the pipeline for any diet. So making engines more efficient, or finding a better mode of shipment, is a much better use of resources regarding climate change.

Doxin 6y ago
Eating meat is only more efficient if you forget to calculate in the food your meat needs to eat and drink. If you include those there's wildly more water and transport involved in meat production than in plant production.