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Just a slight perspective, I'm not from the US, I'm from israel. We have a black jewish population here, they yearned their return to Zion(israel) for thousands

by mola 6y ago

Just a slight perspective, I'm not from the US, I'm from israel. We have a black jewish population here, they yearned their return to Zion(israel) for thousands of years. The state of israel, invested money and effort in organizing their return. Non of their ancestors were slaves. We have social issues, mostly because the huge differences in culture and exposure to technological and educational advances. And the fact these people are immigrants. Sure there's racism, and troubles. But the narrative is completely different from the american narratives. Because of the US hagemony in entertainment and media, you see young jewish black (mostly from ethiopian origin) espousing the American narrative. This is extremely hurtful for their cause as it is not into touch with their reality. So basically, I hate the american wokeness wars because of the havoc the wreck on non american societies. Not because the blacks in the US are treated fairly, but because the media frenzy is making it impossible to actually get things better. Not much to add, thought it might be interesting.

arp242 6y ago
I see the same thing in the Netherlands; the way some people talk you would almost get the impression that Floyd was killed in Amsterdam or something. Not that we don't have problems with racism – we absolutely do – but the context and reasons are just completely different to the point where the American conversation on the topic for the most part just doesn't apply at all, but unfortunately not everyone seems to have realized this.
selimthegrim 6y ago
Surely that episode where they tried to give birth control to the Ethiopian refugees in their food didn’t help things?
- worik 6y ago
  I am no fan of the Israeli state, but that is not a thing. THere were reports of racist doctors using Depo Pravera (sp?) on Ethiopian women without their consent, if true they were rouge.
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    Yes I meant this.
- boromisp 6y ago
  The original story was about injections not food, and was most likely false. Unless you are referring to a different story? https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/01/did-israelis-force-contraception-on.html https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/01/did-israelis-force...
worik 6y ago
The problems of racism in Israel run very deep. The echos of that are felt all over the world, and are creating havoc. So Pot meet Kettle. Racism in the USA is a terrible thing. But the law is not racist. In Israel it is the law that is racist: "Jewish people have the unique claim to national self-determination in the State of Israel" Apartheid
- rattray 6y ago
  Err, that example would be religionist, not racist, right? The African folks in question are Jewish. I'm not saying there aren't problems with racism in Israel, or that the state isn't actively cruel to people it views as different, just that your citation doesn't seem to imply racism per se.
  - deadbunny 6y ago
    How about we just use the term bigotry? Same end result.
  - TheDong 6y ago
    To quote the law: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-law-of-return#70 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-law-of-return#... > 4B. For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion." The "or" there is very important. If my grandmother were a religious Jew, and she had a secular daughter, that daughter would still be a jew (a secular jew). If that daughter then births me, that is now a generation further, where my mother was not religious, I am not religious, but both my mother and I are considered to be Jews for that law. Due to how that is worded, one can be a secular Jew, Jewish by the bloodline of the mother (aka "race"), and one can be a religious Jew. The law applies to both, so I think it's fair to say that it's a racist law.
    - rattray 6y ago
      That's an interesting argument, I do see what you're saying. I'd counter that since someone of any race can be a Jew by this definition, it doesn't exclude on the basis of race. The intent is also quite clearly to establish the country as a religious nation, and while I'm quite glad to live in a secular nation (the US) I don't begrudge religious nations their right to exist (eg; islamic ones). (disclaimer, I am a secular Jew)
kergonath 6y ago
Racism is not uniquely American, and does not require slavery.

by mola 6y ago

arp242 6y ago

I see the same thing in the Netherlands; the way some people talk you would almost get the impression that Floyd was killed in Amsterdam or something. Not that we don't have problems with racism – we absolutely do – but the context and reasons are just completely different to the point where the American conversation on the topic for the most part just doesn't apply at all, but unfortunately not everyone seems to have realized this.

selimthegrim 6y ago

Surely that episode where they tried to give birth control to the Ethiopian refugees in their food didn’t help things?

worik 6y ago
I am no fan of the Israeli state, but that is not a thing. THere were reports of racist doctors using Depo Pravera (sp?) on Ethiopian women without their consent, if true they were rouge.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  Yes I meant this.
boromisp 6y ago
The original story was about injections not food, and was most likely false. Unless you are referring to a different story? https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/01/did-israelis-force-contraception-on.html https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/01/did-israelis-force...

worik 6y ago

The problems of racism in Israel run very deep. The echos of that are felt all over the world, and are creating havoc. So Pot meet Kettle. Racism in the USA is a terrible thing. But the law is not racist. In Israel it is the law that is racist: "Jewish people have the unique claim to national self-determination in the State of Israel" Apartheid

rattray 6y ago
Err, that example would be religionist, not racist, right? The African folks in question are Jewish. I'm not saying there aren't problems with racism in Israel, or that the state isn't actively cruel to people it views as different, just that your citation doesn't seem to imply racism per se.
- deadbunny 6y ago
  How about we just use the term bigotry? Same end result.
- TheDong 6y ago
  To quote the law: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-law-of-return#70 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/israel-s-law-of-return#... > 4B. For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion." The "or" there is very important. If my grandmother were a religious Jew, and she had a secular daughter, that daughter would still be a jew (a secular jew). If that daughter then births me, that is now a generation further, where my mother was not religious, I am not religious, but both my mother and I are considered to be Jews for that law. Due to how that is worded, one can be a secular Jew, Jewish by the bloodline of the mother (aka "race"), and one can be a religious Jew. The law applies to both, so I think it's fair to say that it's a racist law.
  - rattray 6y ago
    That's an interesting argument, I do see what you're saying. I'd counter that since someone of any race can be a Jew by this definition, it doesn't exclude on the basis of race. The intent is also quite clearly to establish the country as a religious nation, and while I'm quite glad to live in a secular nation (the US) I don't begrudge religious nations their right to exist (eg; islamic ones). (disclaimer, I am a secular Jew)

kergonath 6y ago

Racism is not uniquely American, and does not require slavery.