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While I could definitely see this coming from ML biases, I would like to know the language in question and test some more examples.

ColinWright 6y ago
In what way does the word "Hungarian" in the first column not answer the first question? Edit: For the people who've downvoted me ... this is a genuine question. The word "Hungarian" is there in the image, but the person to whom I'm answering says they want to know what language is being discussed. So clearly their question isn't answered by that, and I'd like to know why or how. So it's a genuine question ... if you've downvoted me, perhaps you could suggest how I should have phrased it.
- muthdra 6y ago
  Maybe he meant he'd like to be able to speak the language in question. Anyway, I guess you could just translate verbs to hungarian and then back, using the genderless pronoun.
  - ColinWright 6y ago
    > Maybe he meant he'd like to be able to speak the language in question. Ooh, that's a parsing I never considered. Thank you.
    - rPlayer6554 6y ago
      Hah well you were sorta right, i was being dumb and didn't see that (ironically I was very hungry when making that comment, which may have thrown me off) But the suggestion of the parent comment to yours afaik is not a great idea. I know that languages can be very complex. To properly understand what is going on, I think it would be most appropriate for someone who knows Hungarian to analyze this. I think it would be especially important to have someone who understands gender roles in Hungarian culture to look at it. They might be able to craft tests that show if this was an issue with the biases (assuming that a bias is proved) from the original Hungarian translators or from Google's overall system. So yes, in one sense I do now know the language, but in a much more real sense, I do not _know_ the language.
  - dTal 6y ago
    >Maybe he meant he'd like to be able to speak the language in question Or she.

ColinWright 6y ago

In what way does the word "Hungarian" in the first column not answer the first question? Edit: For the people who've downvoted me ... this is a genuine question. The word "Hungarian" is there in the image, but the person to whom I'm answering says they want to know what language is being discussed. So clearly their question isn't answered by that, and I'd like to know why or how. So it's a genuine question ... if you've downvoted me, perhaps you could suggest how I should have phrased it.

muthdra 6y ago
Maybe he meant he'd like to be able to speak the language in question. Anyway, I guess you could just translate verbs to hungarian and then back, using the genderless pronoun.
- ColinWright 6y ago
  > Maybe he meant he'd like to be able to speak the language in question. Ooh, that's a parsing I never considered. Thank you.
  - rPlayer6554 6y ago
    Hah well you were sorta right, i was being dumb and didn't see that (ironically I was very hungry when making that comment, which may have thrown me off) But the suggestion of the parent comment to yours afaik is not a great idea. I know that languages can be very complex. To properly understand what is going on, I think it would be most appropriate for someone who knows Hungarian to analyze this. I think it would be especially important to have someone who understands gender roles in Hungarian culture to look at it. They might be able to craft tests that show if this was an issue with the biases (assuming that a bias is proved) from the original Hungarian translators or from Google's overall system. So yes, in one sense I do now know the language, but in a much more real sense, I do not _know_ the language.
- dTal 6y ago
  >Maybe he meant he'd like to be able to speak the language in question Or she.