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The sports team thing is really offensive though. They're literally using Native Americans as team mascots. Especially given the genocide that occurred. There's

The sports team thing is really offensive though. They're literally using Native Americans as team mascots. Especially given the genocide that occurred. There's no reason to use any race of human, especially those who were struck with some of the worst systemic violence in history, as a mascot for a sports team.

aksss 6y ago
I have a lot of Native American friends, they grouse about losing the Redskins team. I think the white SJWs don’t really understand the dynamic. Not claiming I do either but point being a lot of people took pride in that team for its name and representation, it wasn’t a joke. One of the side effects of this purge/righteous cleansing is that it’s also scrubbing out representation. Land-o-lakes being another example.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  The renaming has very broad support in Native communities: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_name_change_advocates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_...
- kaitai 6y ago
  I think the Redskins example is not great, as I also know plenty of folks who support the renaming; there is plenty of division among Native folks around this name. Land O'Lakes, though, is a much more interesting example -- Patrick DesJarlait, the artist, was Ojibwe, and his son wrote a very interesting article about this for the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/29/my-ojibwe-father-drew-land-olakes-maiden-she-was-never-stereotype/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/29/my-ojibwe...
nonameiguess 6y ago
I'm honestly still amazed sometimes that the Fighting Irish mascot of Notre Dame is still a thing. It seems inevitable that it gets relegated to the scrap heap of history at some point, but I guess people don't care as much since the Irish, at least in the U.S., mostly ended up catching a break and didn't become a permanent underclass all but obliterated from existence by military might like Native Americans were.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  Notre Dame has had plenty of Irish presidents
- malandrew 6y ago
  As someone who is 1/4 Irish, I'd say it's because we just don't care. The Notre Dame mascot is completely inconsequential. It's a mascot. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's a privilege to not care. I feel sorry for everyone from other groups that are forced to care about inconsequential things because in aggregate all these inconsequential things that people demand that you care about end up being a denial of service attack, leaving you with less bandwidth to think about things that actually matter like working hard and working smart and building wealth. If some group that was not Irish kept trying to get me and other people of Irish descent to waste brain cycles on such trivial non-consequential things, I'd ignore them and instruct others to ignore them. It honestly boggles my mind that our culture has optimized for amplifying the voices of such people as it's so counter-productive. I'm also 1/32 Native American and feel the same way about those mascots too. It's honestly all so tiresome and wasteful of brain cycles. Heck, look how many smart people have commented on this story and all because these non-issues have been elevated to the point we're we are forced to waste brain cycles on this because it became intrusive and broke our work flows. Many activists in history have been great but much of what passes for "activism" today is not just useless, but actively counter-productive.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    > I'm also 1/32 Native American and feel the same way about those mascots too. Just because you don't take issue with it, doesn't mean it's not offensive and a big deal to other people (who are often more than 1/32 Native American). The Redskins is a racist name, anyway you slice it. Try to replace red with brown or yellow and it's immediately obvious. I don't think every single case is as cut and dry as that one, but it's not fair to call these issues inconsequential.
- throwaway19937 6y ago
  (https://pando.com/2014/02/12/war-nerd-the-long-sleazy-history-behind-a-googlers-nonviolent-militia/ https://pando.com/2014/02/12/war-nerd-the-long-sleazy-histor...) argues that the slogan is derived from a British army recruiting pitch for cannon fodder.
cl0ne 6y ago
As a native, I agree with you. There aren't sports teams named after other people's skin colors. It's just weird.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  It's offensive. I'm actually pretty sad that people here are so reactionary to the change. I don't understand why people would be angry, particularly because changing the name wasn't some initiative created by a giant corporation. It seems like common decency to me.
DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
> The sports team thing is really offensive though. Offensive to whom? Someone is deciding which groups deserve to be free of offense, and which groups don't. I'd like to shine a spotlight on them, and their hypocritical abuse of power over others.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  There is no third party deciding these things. People who have experienced racism are offended when it continues to happen. They can then advocate for a change and hopefully broader awareness. There's no hypocrisy involved.

aksss 6y ago

I have a lot of Native American friends, they grouse about losing the Redskins team. I think the white SJWs don’t really understand the dynamic. Not claiming I do either but point being a lot of people took pride in that team for its name and representation, it wasn’t a joke. One of the side effects of this purge/righteous cleansing is that it’s also scrubbing out representation. Land-o-lakes being another example.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
The renaming has very broad support in Native communities: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_name_change_advocates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Redskins_...
kaitai 6y ago
I think the Redskins example is not great, as I also know plenty of folks who support the renaming; there is plenty of division among Native folks around this name. Land O'Lakes, though, is a much more interesting example -- Patrick DesJarlait, the artist, was Ojibwe, and his son wrote a very interesting article about this for the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/29/my-ojibwe-father-drew-land-olakes-maiden-she-was-never-stereotype/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/29/my-ojibwe...

nonameiguess 6y ago

I'm honestly still amazed sometimes that the Fighting Irish mascot of Notre Dame is still a thing. It seems inevitable that it gets relegated to the scrap heap of history at some point, but I guess people don't care as much since the Irish, at least in the U.S., mostly ended up catching a break and didn't become a permanent underclass all but obliterated from existence by military might like Native Americans were.

selimthegrim 6y ago
Notre Dame has had plenty of Irish presidents
malandrew 6y ago
As someone who is 1/4 Irish, I'd say it's because we just don't care. The Notre Dame mascot is completely inconsequential. It's a mascot. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's a privilege to not care. I feel sorry for everyone from other groups that are forced to care about inconsequential things because in aggregate all these inconsequential things that people demand that you care about end up being a denial of service attack, leaving you with less bandwidth to think about things that actually matter like working hard and working smart and building wealth. If some group that was not Irish kept trying to get me and other people of Irish descent to waste brain cycles on such trivial non-consequential things, I'd ignore them and instruct others to ignore them. It honestly boggles my mind that our culture has optimized for amplifying the voices of such people as it's so counter-productive. I'm also 1/32 Native American and feel the same way about those mascots too. It's honestly all so tiresome and wasteful of brain cycles. Heck, look how many smart people have commented on this story and all because these non-issues have been elevated to the point we're we are forced to waste brain cycles on this because it became intrusive and broke our work flows. Many activists in history have been great but much of what passes for "activism" today is not just useless, but actively counter-productive.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  > I'm also 1/32 Native American and feel the same way about those mascots too. Just because you don't take issue with it, doesn't mean it's not offensive and a big deal to other people (who are often more than 1/32 Native American). The Redskins is a racist name, anyway you slice it. Try to replace red with brown or yellow and it's immediately obvious. I don't think every single case is as cut and dry as that one, but it's not fair to call these issues inconsequential.
throwaway19937 6y ago
(https://pando.com/2014/02/12/war-nerd-the-long-sleazy-history-behind-a-googlers-nonviolent-militia/ https://pando.com/2014/02/12/war-nerd-the-long-sleazy-histor...) argues that the slogan is derived from a British army recruiting pitch for cannon fodder.

cl0ne 6y ago

As a native, I agree with you. There aren't sports teams named after other people's skin colors. It's just weird.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
It's offensive. I'm actually pretty sad that people here are so reactionary to the change. I don't understand why people would be angry, particularly because changing the name wasn't some initiative created by a giant corporation. It seems like common decency to me.

DoofusOfDeath 6y ago

> The sports team thing is really offensive though. Offensive to whom? Someone is deciding which groups deserve to be free of offense, and which groups don't. I'd like to shine a spotlight on them, and their hypocritical abuse of power over others.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
There is no third party deciding these things. People who have experienced racism are offended when it continues to happen. They can then advocate for a change and hopefully broader awareness. There's no hypocrisy involved.