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> I would love to be able to switch to FreeBSD Curious what you think you would personally gain other than the much-repeated mantra of "they have organized man

> I would love to be able to switch to FreeBSD Curious what you think you would personally gain other than the much-repeated mantra of "they have organized man docs and a strong set of CLI userland tools because they are developed alongside the kernel"

imwillofficial 6y ago
Well, I was thinking more like “They have organized man docs, and a strong set of CLI user land tools because they are developed alongside the kernel.” But I’m an Oxford comma man myself.
- YooLi 6y ago
  Google Oxford comma. It’s not simply a comma before an ‘and’.
  - imwillofficial 6y ago
    I know, it was a joke on His dismissiveness. I'm only half as clever as I try to be
orhmeh09 6y ago
Those sound like excellent gains in and of themselves.
nix23 6y ago
ZFS DTRACE and pf....oh and the mantra.
- mixedCase 6y ago
  BSD ZFS I believe uses the same code as Linux nowadays or was at least planning to. eBPF should cover your other two needs, by way of itself and through bpftrace.
  - laumars 6y ago
    > BSD ZFS I believe uses the same code as Linux nowadays or was at least planning to. Just because FreeBSD and Linux share the same ZFS upstream it doesn’t mean the experience of running ZFS on Linux is in any way comparable to running it on FreeBSD. For starters, it’s a default in FreeBSD rather than an optional driver you have to install yourself (or even compile yourself on some distros). And that along makes a massive difference when it comes to maintenance.
    - throwawayboise 6y ago
      What is the benefit of using ZFS on a personal or dev machine? I almost never tinker with filesystem partitions or allocation once I set them up as part of installing an OS. I occasionally do on a production machine if I've misjudged space needed for something, but there again it's pretty rare.
      - Marsymars 6y ago
        I run Windows and macOS on my personal and dev machines (so don’t use ZFS), but I’d really appreciate the peace of mind of bit rot protection.
      - nix23 6y ago
        Oh it's massive especially for kernel-devs/os-devs, snapshots and boot-environments (bectl)....for personal machines...zfs-send..never have to think about correct backups/restores anymore.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - JdeBP 6y ago
        Boot environments for operating system upgrades. They take advantage of ZFS.
      - laumars 6y ago
        Snapshots was the biggie that made me switch to ZFS more than 10 years ago. Never looked back.

imwillofficial 6y ago

Well, I was thinking more like “They have organized man docs, and a strong set of CLI user land tools because they are developed alongside the kernel.” But I’m an Oxford comma man myself.

YooLi 6y ago
Google Oxford comma. It’s not simply a comma before an ‘and’.
- imwillofficial 6y ago
  I know, it was a joke on His dismissiveness. I'm only half as clever as I try to be

orhmeh09 6y ago

Those sound like excellent gains in and of themselves.

nix23 6y ago

ZFS DTRACE and pf....oh and the mantra.

mixedCase 6y ago
BSD ZFS I believe uses the same code as Linux nowadays or was at least planning to. eBPF should cover your other two needs, by way of itself and through bpftrace.
- laumars 6y ago
  > BSD ZFS I believe uses the same code as Linux nowadays or was at least planning to. Just because FreeBSD and Linux share the same ZFS upstream it doesn’t mean the experience of running ZFS on Linux is in any way comparable to running it on FreeBSD. For starters, it’s a default in FreeBSD rather than an optional driver you have to install yourself (or even compile yourself on some distros). And that along makes a massive difference when it comes to maintenance.
  - throwawayboise 6y ago
    What is the benefit of using ZFS on a personal or dev machine? I almost never tinker with filesystem partitions or allocation once I set them up as part of installing an OS. I occasionally do on a production machine if I've misjudged space needed for something, but there again it's pretty rare.
    - Marsymars 6y ago
      I run Windows and macOS on my personal and dev machines (so don’t use ZFS), but I’d really appreciate the peace of mind of bit rot protection.
    - nix23 6y ago
      Oh it's massive especially for kernel-devs/os-devs, snapshots and boot-environments (bectl)....for personal machines...zfs-send..never have to think about correct backups/restores anymore.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - JdeBP 6y ago
      Boot environments for operating system upgrades. They take advantage of ZFS.
    - laumars 6y ago
      Snapshots was the biggie that made me switch to ZFS more than 10 years ago. Never looked back.