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Where does this line of reasoning end? Should we rename "master's degrees" even though there is no "slave" in this context (just like there is no slave branch i

by veeti 6y ago

Where does this line of reasoning end? Should we rename "master's degrees" even though there is no "slave" in this context (just like there is no slave branch in git)? I think it's important for students to take a deep breath and remember to reflect upon racism. For context, I'm Finnish and many of my ancestors were sold as slaves as well.

sneak 6y ago
The "master" bedrooms in houses are now being called "primary" bedrooms by some realtors.
- systemvoltage 6y ago
  This is insane and disgusting.
  - jfengel 6y ago
    That seems a bit of an overreaction, doesn't it?
    - systemvoltage 6y ago
      Using black justice as a pawn to further their own image and agenda? No. Not really. These realtors want to cash in on this bandwagon. I am disgusted, indeed.
      - jfengel 6y ago
        Let me just thank you personally for the money I'm getting out of this. I went into Social Justice Warrioring for the feel-goods, but the buttload of cash is definitely a nice bonus.
      - jgwil2 6y ago
        More charitable reading would be that they don't want to offend potential customers. I mean, I guess that can be seen as "cashing in," but then all good customer service could be dismissed in the same fashion.
        vmception 6y ago
        yeah, but how out of touch do you have to be to realize that the customers this would actually affect would not be offended. its only the people that would be vicariously offended.
        jgwil2 6y ago
        From the perspective of a salesperson, does it matter who gets offended, or for what reason? They lose the sale either way.
        vmception 6y ago
        It doesn’t matter for the salesperson Its optimal for them to make up parts of houses and arbitrarily rename neighborhoods to attract the most people
      - worik 6y ago
        That is quite cheap disgust, surely?
        InvertedRhodium 6y ago
        Disgust always is, is why humans partake in it so frequently.
      - krferriter 6y ago
        Imagine being disgusted by the largest bedroom being accurately described as the "primary bedroom". There's nothing objectionable about this.
        systemvoltage 6y ago
        I am not disgusted by the master/primary word game. I am disgusted at corporations, companies and professionals tagging on the bandwagon with PC. It is just not genuine.
        sneak 6y ago
        It can be genuine, virtue signaling, and profitable all at once. They aren't mutually exclusive.
        efa 6y ago
        Purposely being obtuse?
  - efa 6y ago
    Not sure why you are being downvoted. It is disgusting. It does nothing to help with any of the real issues. It just creates this sad gestapo culture where there is a rush to jump all over someone over something trivial and meaningless. The infringer of the rule is punished, the punisher feels superior, and nothing really improves. The enemy of progress is silencing discussion and stupid "bans" on everyday words just makes people hesitant to speak less they violate the latest woke rules. (Like every word that has "man" in it instead of "person/woman/whatever".)
    - sneak 6y ago
      > It just creates this sad gestapo culture where there is a rush to jump all over someone over something trivial and meaningless. That's not what the Gestapo did. This, too, is a bit of an overreaction.
brodouevencode 6y ago
Can sympathize: the reason Im in the US is because my Irish ancestors went into indentured servitude to come to the states, landed in the deep south and because of my low economic status growing up actually shared more in common with the black folks around here (went to a school system where I, 7/8 Irish, was the minority) yet I'm constantly being reminded by white folks to check my privilege. It's just hilarious from this perspective.
- jonahrd 6y ago
  I'm not trying to diminish the experience of your ancestors, mine were also Irish. But in most contexts, white privilege doesn't care about your actual ancestry. A 2nd generation black immigrant from Africa to NYC will face some of the same discrimination as a descendant from slaves. And with your white skin you will receive some of the same privileges as a wealthy descendant of the Mayflower. It doesn't really hurt to recognize this, and it doesn't have to "erase" the pain that your ancestors went through. It's simply recognizing that there are inherent subliminal biases in our systems and society.
  - brodouevencode 6y ago
    My white privilege must have been on vacation growing up because my parents were too poor to pay the light bill several times and eventually were foreclosed upon (this was way before 2008). And it certainly wasn't around when I had to work as a farm hand for less than minimum wage in high school to help pay the bills. A lot of what's perceived as white privilege is actually economic privilege, and most of the rest is made up.
    - 908B64B197 6y ago
      I wonder how poor whites react to their resume getting tossed out for not being diverse enough [0][1]. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wilberg-recruiter-hiring-reverse-discrimination-lawsuit https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wi... [1] https://www.wired.com/story/new-lawsuit-exposes-googles-desperation-to-improve-diversity/ https://www.wired.com/story/new-lawsuit-exposes-googles-desp...
tr3ndyBEAR 6y ago
> For context, I'm Finnish and many of my ancestors were sold as slaves as well. Just wanted to point out there's a huge difference here. Black communities in America very much live with the legacy, and remanifestation (I recommend reading The Color of Law), of slavery in their everyday lives. At one point in US history, nearly 10% of american identified as KKK members. Do you think all of them suddenly disappeared. There's also huge legacies in our academia. Just a couple decades ago sociology was essentially the study of eugenics in our own country while anthropology was the study of eugenics in other countries. Even commonly used terms in statistics (e.g. regression to the mean) root from the study of eugenics. There's been much scholarship dedicated to clearly tracing these roots and a constant theme of antiblackness PBS has a great history documentary called "American Experience: The Eugenics Crusade" that I'd highly recommend if you wanna start to dig at the heels of how deeply rooted this is in our culture

by veeti 6y ago

sneak 6y ago

The "master" bedrooms in houses are now being called "primary" bedrooms by some realtors.

systemvoltage 6y ago
This is insane and disgusting.
- jfengel 6y ago
  That seems a bit of an overreaction, doesn't it?
  - systemvoltage 6y ago
    Using black justice as a pawn to further their own image and agenda? No. Not really. These realtors want to cash in on this bandwagon. I am disgusted, indeed.
    - jfengel 6y ago
      Let me just thank you personally for the money I'm getting out of this. I went into Social Justice Warrioring for the feel-goods, but the buttload of cash is definitely a nice bonus.
    - jgwil2 6y ago
      More charitable reading would be that they don't want to offend potential customers. I mean, I guess that can be seen as "cashing in," but then all good customer service could be dismissed in the same fashion.
      - vmception 6y ago
        yeah, but how out of touch do you have to be to realize that the customers this would actually affect would not be offended. its only the people that would be vicariously offended.
        jgwil2 6y ago
        From the perspective of a salesperson, does it matter who gets offended, or for what reason? They lose the sale either way.
        vmception 6y ago
        It doesn’t matter for the salesperson Its optimal for them to make up parts of houses and arbitrarily rename neighborhoods to attract the most people
    - worik 6y ago
      That is quite cheap disgust, surely?
      - InvertedRhodium 6y ago
        Disgust always is, is why humans partake in it so frequently.
    - krferriter 6y ago
      Imagine being disgusted by the largest bedroom being accurately described as the "primary bedroom". There's nothing objectionable about this.
      - systemvoltage 6y ago
        I am not disgusted by the master/primary word game. I am disgusted at corporations, companies and professionals tagging on the bandwagon with PC. It is just not genuine.
        sneak 6y ago
        It can be genuine, virtue signaling, and profitable all at once. They aren't mutually exclusive.
      - efa 6y ago
        Purposely being obtuse?
- efa 6y ago
  Not sure why you are being downvoted. It is disgusting. It does nothing to help with any of the real issues. It just creates this sad gestapo culture where there is a rush to jump all over someone over something trivial and meaningless. The infringer of the rule is punished, the punisher feels superior, and nothing really improves. The enemy of progress is silencing discussion and stupid "bans" on everyday words just makes people hesitant to speak less they violate the latest woke rules. (Like every word that has "man" in it instead of "person/woman/whatever".)
  - sneak 6y ago
    > It just creates this sad gestapo culture where there is a rush to jump all over someone over something trivial and meaningless. That's not what the Gestapo did. This, too, is a bit of an overreaction.

brodouevencode 6y ago

Can sympathize: the reason Im in the US is because my Irish ancestors went into indentured servitude to come to the states, landed in the deep south and because of my low economic status growing up actually shared more in common with the black folks around here (went to a school system where I, 7/8 Irish, was the minority) yet I'm constantly being reminded by white folks to check my privilege. It's just hilarious from this perspective.

jonahrd 6y ago
I'm not trying to diminish the experience of your ancestors, mine were also Irish. But in most contexts, white privilege doesn't care about your actual ancestry. A 2nd generation black immigrant from Africa to NYC will face some of the same discrimination as a descendant from slaves. And with your white skin you will receive some of the same privileges as a wealthy descendant of the Mayflower. It doesn't really hurt to recognize this, and it doesn't have to "erase" the pain that your ancestors went through. It's simply recognizing that there are inherent subliminal biases in our systems and society.
- brodouevencode 6y ago
  My white privilege must have been on vacation growing up because my parents were too poor to pay the light bill several times and eventually were foreclosed upon (this was way before 2008). And it certainly wasn't around when I had to work as a farm hand for less than minimum wage in high school to help pay the bills. A lot of what's perceived as white privilege is actually economic privilege, and most of the rest is made up.
  - 908B64B197 6y ago
    I wonder how poor whites react to their resume getting tossed out for not being diverse enough [0][1]. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wilberg-recruiter-hiring-reverse-discrimination-lawsuit https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/2/17070624/google-youtube-wi... [1] https://www.wired.com/story/new-lawsuit-exposes-googles-desperation-to-improve-diversity/ https://www.wired.com/story/new-lawsuit-exposes-googles-desp...

tr3ndyBEAR 6y ago

> For context, I'm Finnish and many of my ancestors were sold as slaves as well. Just wanted to point out there's a huge difference here. Black communities in America very much live with the legacy, and remanifestation (I recommend reading The Color of Law), of slavery in their everyday lives. At one point in US history, nearly 10% of american identified as KKK members. Do you think all of them suddenly disappeared. There's also huge legacies in our academia. Just a couple decades ago sociology was essentially the study of eugenics in our own country while anthropology was the study of eugenics in other countries. Even commonly used terms in statistics (e.g. regression to the mean) root from the study of eugenics. There's been much scholarship dedicated to clearly tracing these roots and a constant theme of antiblackness PBS has a great history documentary called "American Experience: The Eugenics Crusade" that I'd highly recommend if you wanna start to dig at the heels of how deeply rooted this is in our culture