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These are for-profit companies shielded from liability. They're going to do only the bare minimum to get the product to market. For other classes of drugs, th

These are for-profit companies shielded from liability. They're going to do only the bare minimum to get the product to market. For other classes of drugs, these same companies have been sued and fined for billions of dollars for covering up problems with their drugs. The regulators are beyond incompetent, they're typically industry shills.

leesalminen 6y ago
The fact that the regulators have only issued Emergency Use Authorization for the vaccines shows that less than the bare minimum has been done to bring these products to market. The bare minimum used to be FDA Approval.
- maxerickson 6y ago
  If "used to be" counts, then the bare minimum is whatever it takes to get someone to pay for it, like in the literal snake oil days. It is such a weird stance, implying that it can never make sense for the FDA to change how they do things.
  - leesalminen 6y ago
    > If "used to be" counts, then the bare minimum is whatever it takes to get someone to pay for it, like in the literal snake oil days. I’m advocating for higher standards, not lower. With regards to the COVID vaccine, we’ve decreased the quality and quantity of research performed over what we’ve done for previous vaccines. It sounds like you’re saying that the research on these vaccines is better than before. Which is confusing because they have not obtained FDA Approval. If they had been tested to the same rigor as other vaccines, they would have received this Approval. > implying that it can never make sense for the FDA to change how they do things. Again, that’s not what I’m implying. I’m implying that we should change how they do things in only one direction- more safe. Long term research and vigorous testing. Not rushed testing who’s new rules are dictated by industry-captured regulators.
CyberDildonics 6y ago
What evidence are you basing this on?
- linuxftw 6y ago
  Below are some top results for the google search "FDA revolving door". I mean, is this a serious question? https://www.citizen.org/article/outrage-of-the-month-revolving-door-to-fda-commissioners-office-sows-distrust-in-agency/ https://www.citizen.org/article/outrage-of-the-month-revolvi... https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/495694559/a-look-at-how-the-revolving-door-spins-from-fda-to-industry https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/4956945... https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/fda-s-revolving-door-companies-often-hire-agency-staffers-who-managed-their-successful https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/fda-s-revolving-door...

leesalminen 6y ago

The fact that the regulators have only issued Emergency Use Authorization for the vaccines shows that less than the bare minimum has been done to bring these products to market. The bare minimum used to be FDA Approval.

maxerickson 6y ago
If "used to be" counts, then the bare minimum is whatever it takes to get someone to pay for it, like in the literal snake oil days. It is such a weird stance, implying that it can never make sense for the FDA to change how they do things.
- leesalminen 6y ago
  > If "used to be" counts, then the bare minimum is whatever it takes to get someone to pay for it, like in the literal snake oil days. I’m advocating for higher standards, not lower. With regards to the COVID vaccine, we’ve decreased the quality and quantity of research performed over what we’ve done for previous vaccines. It sounds like you’re saying that the research on these vaccines is better than before. Which is confusing because they have not obtained FDA Approval. If they had been tested to the same rigor as other vaccines, they would have received this Approval. > implying that it can never make sense for the FDA to change how they do things. Again, that’s not what I’m implying. I’m implying that we should change how they do things in only one direction- more safe. Long term research and vigorous testing. Not rushed testing who’s new rules are dictated by industry-captured regulators.

CyberDildonics 6y ago

What evidence are you basing this on?

linuxftw 6y ago
Below are some top results for the google search "FDA revolving door". I mean, is this a serious question? https://www.citizen.org/article/outrage-of-the-month-revolving-door-to-fda-commissioners-office-sows-distrust-in-agency/ https://www.citizen.org/article/outrage-of-the-month-revolvi... https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/495694559/a-look-at-how-the-revolving-door-spins-from-fda-to-industry https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/09/28/4956945... https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/fda-s-revolving-door-companies-often-hire-agency-staffers-who-managed-their-successful https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/07/fda-s-revolving-door...